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2016-04-22 at 5:25 PM UTC in Ever met met someone that was sexually abused as a child?I think it's important for us to agree on how we will define "sexual abuse" for this conversation to mean anything.
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2016-04-22 at 5:19 PM UTC in why i was wrong about atheism[h=1]A Critique Of Molyneuvian Ethics ('universally preferable behavior') :[/h]
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2016-04-22 at 4:58 PM UTC in why i was wrong about atheism[h=1]Universally Preferable Behavior - Debunked:[/h]
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2016-04-22 at 4:56 PM UTC in why i was wrong about atheism[h=1]Advice for recovering Molyneuxvians | The Stefan Molyneux Cult of Personality | Greg Swann[/h]
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2016-04-22 at 4:37 PM UTC in why i was wrong about atheism[h=4]
Molyneux told Rogan that he has mentioned the idea of defoo “only 3 or 4 times. It is not central.â€[/h] From Molyneux FDR Podcast #589, “Examining the Family…â€:
[INDENT] 19:29: And so defooing is a very core part of achieving freedom. It is the ultimate secession. It’s the ultimate emancipation. For bad parents, I mean everyone knows that, right*?
*Every so often during his podcasts, Molyneux will throw in a qualifier like this. However, as you’ll see in the quotes from his essays below, he considers nearly all parents to be “bad parentsâ€!
And if achieved and talked about—not immediately, it takes a long time—but if achieved and talked about, it is, I think, the most powerful way to begin to crack this biosphere, this diamond hard biosphere of the family.
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Same podcast, Molyneux talking about his ultimate solution for converting the world to anarchocapitalism. The “oldest dictatorship†he is talking about is the family:
[INDENT] 16:44 …and so, how do you do it? How do you do it. How do you break the habits of 100,000 years? How do you break the oldest dictatorship? And really, that’s why there’s been this defooing thing. And this is why—although the hardest thing other than defooing is talking to people about defooing—I think it’s something that, it’s important to do because people don’t even know that they can (laughs). They don’t even know it’s an option.
Excerpts from Molyneux essay “Why The World Is Sickâ€
And, it’s going to be a slow—at least one generation. But, people who have defooed or at least have heard about defooing, they can at least know that their authority as parents is not an absolute.
I think the parents of those who have defooed have kept it even more a guilty secret than those who have defood—it’s a very hard thing to talk about. It’s like saying, “hey, here’s my porn collection, let me spread it out over the dinner table while we’re dining out in this fine restaurant.†It feels sometimes like that to talk about defooing with people.
But the moment that we do talk about defooing with people—yes, of course, there’ll be lots of horrified looks and people simply won’t want to talk to us a lot of times—but, there is something out there, which is that it can happen. And if it can happen, that’s a crack in the family.
That’s the only crack in the biosphere I’ve been can think of. Maybe there are others I’ve never been able to consider but…This defooing is the only way that I know to get a crack in the biosphere, widen this horrible cyst-like abcess of history—the family—and get some air into the biodome, get some leverage, right? Wedge a couple of crowbars through the cracks and see what can’t be worked out from the inside.
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[INDENT] So – my wife is right, and I am right. The world is sick because of the family, and the family is sick because fantasies have taken the place of philosophy. To save the world, we need better parenting – and to save parents, we need true philosophy
Excerpts from Molyneux essay “Are People Just Stupid?â€
[/INDENT] [INDENT] Like all bad people, the only thing that parents have to offer their children is: relief from a pain that the parents themselves are inflicting. In other words, like priests, parents provoke guilt, and then offer relief from that guilt in return for slavish obedience.
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[INDENT] So face it: your parents were bullies, or weak curriers of favour, or manipulative emotional infants themselves.
[/INDENT] [INDENT] There are only a few possible responses to modern parents:- Contempt
- Indifference
- Boredom
- Hatred
- Empty conformity
[/INDENT] [INDENT] Does this sound too radical? Do you think it extreme for me to say that almost all parents are horribly bad? Perhaps it is. However, if you look at the state of the world – the general blindness and the slow death of our liberties – the challenge you take on by disagreeing with me is this: if it’s not the parents, what is it?
Either the world is not sick, or parents are. Because, as my wife says, it all starts with the family. If you want to perform the greatest service for political liberty, all you have to do is turf all of your unsatisfying relationships. Parents, siblings, spouse, it doesn’t matter. If you can do that, you can speak honestly about freedom.
If you can’t, well, then you have no right to complain about the government. You can’t ask people to give up their illusions about remote political tyrannies if you can’t escape your own domestic tyrants.
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[h=4]Molyneux denied recommending defoo to others, and denied ever comparing childhood to prisons![/h] From Molyneux FDR Podcast #211, (Childhood Prisons [yes, that’s right. He made an entire podcast about it]):
[INDENT] 28:50…Our childhoods—our collective childhoods were prisons. And I know I’m going to get even more emails about this…’Oh, I had a good relationship with my mom and dad.’ ‘Oh, they were fine.’ ‘They were this’ and ‘They were that’…
No. I’m sorry. I gotta tell you, and I hate to say it because I don’t mean to be a bully, but you’re wrong.
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2016-04-22 at 3:04 PM UTC in why i was wrong about atheism
[FONT=verdana][SIZE=14px]Hey there! Pull up a chair. Today’s Quickie! is a fun little story about boring old stuff like ethics and character. [/SIZE][/FONT] It starts, as usual, with the men we know as Stefan Molyneux.
Men? Yes, that’s correct. You see, for several years now, Stefan Molyneux has been living a double life. On one hand, there is the Stefan Molyneux that the True Believers of his forum see. That Stefan Molyneux is the one who believes nearly all parents are horribly bad and your only hope for a virtuous life is to leave them and never speak to them again. (Yeah, yeah, I know, but it’s true).
And then there is the other Stefan Molyneux. That’s the one everyone outside the Freedomain Radio “community†is supposed to see—the happy and witty libertarian gadabout who can make an argument against government so compelling, he can almost convert you to libertarianism on the spot.
And as long as he can find venues that know only the fun Molyneux (and not the Molyneux who may-or-may-not be a destructive cult leader), a splendid time is guaranteed for all.
Lately, one of those venues has been the Joe Rogan show. Rogan has many talents—comedian, actor, host, commentator, etc. But he was also one of the first in his field to see and capitalize on the potential of internet broadcasting. And, as such, he is host of the popular-and-becoming-more-so Joe Rogan Experience.
Rogan is the perfect interviewer for Molyneux. Molyneux is so facile-minded and rhetorically deft, most interviewers can only nod their heads in appreciation as he pontificates. Rogan, however, is no slouch in those departments and easily matches Molyneux step-for-step.
So, Molyneux no doubt hoped for another robust, freewheeling interview where he would hold forth with equal authority on things he knows a lot about and things he doesn’t.
Problem was, the interview would turn out to be the capper for a very bad day… -
2016-04-22 at 1:42 PM UTC in Real men like curves, bones are for dogs
so it goes…
captain falcon's wife < girls Bill Krozby finds attractive < below average looking women < average looking women < actually attractive women
i see.
i want to see a totem pole of that
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2016-04-22 at 1:32 PM UTC in why i was wrong about atheismhttp://www.fdrliberated.com/stefan-molyneux-promise-failure-upb-inside-story-part-1/
It was supposed to be his crowning achievement, THE definitive answer to “what is moral behavior?†The world’s first top-to-bottom system of philosophy, something philosophers have been unable to even attempt for the last 6,000 years. More important, it was suppose to establish Molyneux in the pantheon of thinkers he had studied in college. A position he might have established years earlier, if academia had not blindly rejected him. But all didn’t go according to plan. In fact, of all Molyneux enterprises, it might be said that UPB has had the least impact.
Today, with his followers typically unable to explain what UPB is , even Molyneux is not able to respond in writing to inquiries on the subject. Recently, when someone asked for clarification on his forum, he gave the curt reply, “I have never seen a UPB discussion work out well on a Board, the concepts are too slippery for this format, and everyone always just ends up frustrated. I invite the OP to call into the Sunday show, 4pm EST, to ask these questions directly…†So what happened? How did the book that was intended to be the most clarifying writing on ethics in thousands of years become the book Molyneux himself can no longer write about with any clarity? -
2016-04-22 at 4:19 AM UTC in why i was wrong about atheismNo actually I think Lanny is a smart person who hasn't been fooled by Stephan (unlike you). Lanny doesn't think Stephan is a person to be taken seriously. In other words he's a joke. But it's actually worse than that, he's a fraud, liar and cult leader.
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2016-04-21 at 8:59 PM UTC in why i was wrong about atheismHere is a father's story: *** *********** I am a father of one*fewer children than I had before.* My son was stolen from me by wolves in sheep’s clothing—wolves named Stefan Molyneux and Christina Papadopoulos.* Together these two and their destructive worldview* warped my son’s heart and stole everything he held dear, until he found himself isolated and hopeless.* My son killed himself as a result of their destructive influence on his life. *********** We’ll call my son Sam.* Sam was in his young adulthood, only three years into life on his own, with his own job, own car, an apartment with a buddy, and enjoying life.* His childhood was idyllic—safe environment, loving family, raised in Christian love yet given freedom to think for himself, and not abused in any way.* After graduation he joined the Army—a childhood dream of his—and was living in the south.* While away he maintained strong ties with family and many friends in several states.* He kept in contact with them regularly and even visited numerous times despite being half a continent away.* He even drove across the country for his mom’s birthday! *********** Within a two month period, that all changed.* He went from, “I’ll be praying for you†or “I can’t wait to see what God has in store for meâ€, to “I have no faith†and a total excommunication of Christian family and friends.* He even shunned and quit communicating with his three siblings, whom he loved dearly. *********** Many of us tried to find out what was going on in Sam’s life.* The one thing he mentioned was studying the teachings of Stefan Molyneux, Christina Papadopoulos and their blog minions at FreeDomainRadio.* While this organization has some appealing features and draws people in with their fresh and exciting podcasts and blogs on politics and philosophy, under the surface is a worldview that is destructive to those who become immersed.* Sam was swept up by it. *********** The worldview preached by the Molyneux cult is a combination of extreme libertarian politics, atheistic religion, and a warped psychology that believes parents are the root cause of all a person’s problems.* In their view, there is no such thing as a good parent.* They clearly counseled Sam to distance himself early from parents and Christians.* It initially started with a lack of the usual responsive communication, then to “de-friending†on Facebook, to “leave me alone,†and finally to a scathing “goodbye-forever†letter, all within the period of a few months.* The letter is too painful to quote from, filled with crazy jargon and phrases, evidence of brainwashing by the Molyneux wolves. *********** We saw that coming.* We did our research on the Molyneux cult and learned of other families that had been ripped apart by the infamous “DeFOOâ€â€”Departing the Family Of Origin.* That’s exactly what Sam did to us, and then some.* He completely burned his family and Christian friend bridges.* Not only didn’t it solve his problems but rather contributed to his self-destruction. *********** There is much written elsewhere about the religion of atheism versus following Jesus Christ or any other deity.* It might seem an oxymoron, but atheism is actually a religion too—that of the self being the only high authority in life, a sort of self-worship.* As one gets to know oneself more, however, he comes to the realization that focus on self is a short, dead-end trail that leaves one utterly disappointed.* I believe Sam reached the end of that trail, and in his mind he had no family and support structure to turn back to, even though we would have welcomed him home with open arms and a party of the grandest designs. *********** After finishing his service to the Army—less than six months after the DeFOO--Sam set off on his own to find a new career, new home, a new identity as a free man.* Only seven days into his journey he found himself sitting alone in the car he lived in, with no one to turn to who could see the root cause of his suffering and offer him help, and no hope in his heart for redemption by a loving and forgiving God.* Sam shot himself in the head and died instantly. *********** We all hurt for Sam, for ourselves, and for those who also miss him.* It was painful enough to lose him as a result of DeFOO, but we thought there would come a day when he would come back to us.* There was always hope of his return.* Now Sam has been ripped away forever, and the wound is deeper than before.* We will never on this earth have a chance to tell him again how much we love him, grow closer as he matures, or play with the children he never had.* * Chalk one up to Molyneux and Papadopoulos, The Destroyers.* May it never happen again.
I willingly admit I like a lot of what Molyneux has said but he also destroys families and wrote a ridiculous book that even Lanny isn't fooled by. If you have an actual argument for why you think this guy is so great I'd like to read it but if our past conversations on this topic are any indication I doubt that will happen. -
2016-04-21 at 8:34 PM UTC in SPLOO LOSES HIS SHIT LIVESTREAMEDSploo where are all your other videos? I want to watch them all.
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2016-04-21 at 8:07 PM UTC in why i was wrong about atheismDid poast abandon his family of origin? Is that why in his "trolling the underground" videos he's living in an area with a hundred homeless methheads right outside his front door?
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2016-04-21 at 6:12 PM UTC in Anyone here like Dennis miller?I don't really know. I guess I just figured it would be kind of fun to say something that is basically worthless and meaningless and see if you would reply to it so as to create this tangent conversation when your thread was supposed to be about something else entirely. But now that I've actually explained this whole shenanigan to you it's sort of lost the appeal it once had.
Must you ruin everything? -
2016-04-21 at 6:05 PM UTC in Peeping at somebody undressing can make you a sex offender...What is this world coming to?
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2016-04-21 at 6:02 PM UTC in Mathematics^ Thanks for saying that, I like that we agree on this. After I posted that I had another thought: Pi as a symbol can never be expressed exactly, it is always approximated. Does this demonstrate a fault in the language we use to express it, or does it mean that Pi as it exists in nature is also never expressed as an exact value but rather somewhat vague?
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2016-04-21 at 5:55 PM UTC in I need new websites to trollTry searching for a feminist or SJW forum, easy pickings.
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2016-04-21 at 5:23 PM UTC in Anyone here like Dennis miller?I don't know, but I also don't want to click on all those videos to find out.
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2016-04-21 at 4:50 PM UTC in why i was wrong about atheismquaerere veritatem
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2016-04-21 at 4:37 PM UTC in MathematicsI made this thread after watching a video about math. The theme of the film was that basically everything can be broken down into math. Their idea was that we live in a world of math, that the universe could literally just be a whole lot of math. And there's something about that idea that seems right, it makes a lot of sense. But after reading some of the replies to this thread I think they were wrong about that. Math is like a language, a way to describe something else, like a symbol. We discovered the reality and created the symbol. We invented mathematics after discovering something very similar to math in reality, we use the symbol to describe the reality. Like π. π is a symbol we use to discuss something we discovered that shows up basically everywhere in nature, everywhere we look we see π. π is the way the human attempt to comprehend something that is probably incomprehensible. The symbol π is a metaphor for something that is clearly real and involved in basically everything in our reality.
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2016-04-21 at 4:22 PM UTC in Humans are a disease
Well that's kinda my point. Parasitism or disease implies that a host has interests and they are being violated by the parasite/disease somehow. We wouldn't call moss on a rock parasitic because rocks don't have interests. To call humans a disease is to imply there's something upon which we are a disease and I can find no suitable thing possessing the necessary structure to have interests to be undermined by us in a disease-like way.
You are right in that to literally call humans a disease is incorrect, I agree with you there. But I think it's pretty clear the OP was speaking metaphorically, and I doubt you can honestly deny there are some metaphorical similarities between humans and something like a mold or a parasite. An apple has no "directive to live", it doesn't care if mold devours it, and there are are definitely metaphorical similarities between a mold growing on an apple and humans growing on Earth. A rock doesn't care if some plant grows all over it and slowly crushes it into dust, that plant isn't literally a parasite or a disease to the rock, but there is clearly a metaphorical similarity there, and likewise with humans.
