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2017-08-16 at 2:18 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.
Originally posted by Captain Falcon Why? It is uncaused, and itsd actions come from within itself.
That's fucking horse shit. No, there is no intuitive feeling that your decisions are free from outside influence; what you are describing is simply that people do not viscerally think about these outside influences, and accept these to be predispositions. Nobody is going around thinking "I am outside of time and space and generating shit magically from nowhere". In fact, nobody can think this; the mere fact that we interact with and within systems where we don't have the absolute freedom to do, so to speak, anything in the entire universe, already makes this self evident.
It all comes back to my point, and the central assertion of compatibilism; you are your predispositions. This fits with literally everything we know about the physical world. You are the one creating a problematic, pie in the sky idea of an magic intuitive sense of self outside of causality. You literally can't even present me with a description of how this free will would function. Nobody can. It's senseless.
Because freewill means you have absolute control over your decision / action. If it's truly random, it isn't possible for it to be something you had any control over whatsoever. If you know what the outcome will be, it isn't random and if you don't know what the outcome will be how can it be something you willed freely?
It isn't horseshit at all. Ask a common person if they feel they have free will or if they feel they are in control of their own behavior. Most people believe they are. It is part of being human.
I actually agree with you that your predispositions, desires, the things that drive our behaviour are an extension of ourselves. I'm sure you are aware that I believe we are all one and everything is connected in a sense. However it doesn't really feel like that most of the time. Hunger doesn't feel like something you decided or have control over, in fact you don't have control over it and it feels like something that is happening to you, something that is inflicted upon you. -
2017-08-16 at 1:23 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.Of course a random number generator isn't free or an example of freewill.
I believe you know exactly what I mean by the self and the intuitive feeling that your decisions are free from outside influence. It's something everyone naturally experiences. We naturally feel as though we have absolute control over our decisions. Yet upon closer examination it is clear that our desires are choices are influenced and driven by things we have no control over. -
2017-08-16 at 12:36 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.
Originally posted by Captain Falcon Nigger, do you have athletic abilities problems?
Compatibilism defines free will as acting under your own motive, even if that motive is predetermined.
You're telling me that the "libertarian" idea of free will is that our choices are driven by nothing. I'll ignore how retarded this definition is, as it is purposely set up to be knocked down. We can both agree that this is impossible, but my contention is that this is a meaningless statement unless you can specifically describe how such a thing can exist, because the definition you've given is similar to saying "make me a blue circle on white paper with red ink".
To boil it down, I'll give you the same questions I did in the other thread:
#1, by the above definition of free will, do you think that a truly random number generator is "free"?
I'm telling you that the libertarian idea, or even the intuitive "sense" of freewill that humans naturally experience, is that your choices are driven by your "self" and your self alone. But in reality this is clearly not the case. This is the problem of freewill. Defining freewill as you have just ignores this problem all together. -
2017-08-16 at 11:59 AM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.Compatibilism defines freewill basically like a court of law would, as in a person was not locked in chains or forced at gunpoint to do something. I don't have any problems with this definition except that it completely ignores the more interesting problem of freewill that classical / libertarian freewill faces. The sense that we are absolutely free, that our wants and desires are ours to choose and that our choices and behaviors are not driven by anything. If I recall correctly, you agree with me that we do not have that freedom. Redefining freewill to ignore this intuitive sense of freedom that all people experience regardless of whether or not it is an illusion is merely sweeping the problem under the rug.
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2017-08-16 at 10:57 AM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.I already told you that I used the classical / libertarian idea of free will, and that compatibilism just ignores the problem of freewill related to it.
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2017-08-16 at 10:26 AM UTC in What have you been playing lately?Fallout 4 again.
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2017-08-16 at 10:18 AM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.
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2017-08-15 at 9:33 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.No offense captain, but I really can't trust someone who lies constantly with my address.
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2017-08-15 at 9:23 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.I'm also not willing to get in a huge discussion on my phone but the main point I would want to diacuss is that you define free will in a completely different way that basically ignores the problem of free will. How much is there to discuss? We are talking about two different thing that you just happen to use the same word for.
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2017-08-15 at 9:19 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.Eventually, yeah, you want to buy one for me? It needs to be able to play minecraft at a good frame rate.
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2017-08-15 at 9 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.
Originally posted by Captain Falcon But I am well liked in my group tho. My friends are the most unlikely band of friends ever because we are all very different from one another, but are pretty much tied together by asshole humour that most people cannot stand.
The group chat is just filled top to bottom with potentially career ruining shit that each of us would regret if it got out. You can check the box for any sort of negative -ism.
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2017-08-13 at 10:33 PM UTC in i think i have a little dilemma developing.If you want to fuck her that badly why don't you just pay her?
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2017-08-12 at 6 AM UTC in Don't Fuck With mQHe stole 700 dollars from Wal-Mart and you thought it would be a good idea to give him more?
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2017-08-12 at 5:57 AM UTC in Is flouride bad for plants?Would you willingly chew up and swallow a cup of the undiluted blue shit for shits and giggles?
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2017-08-11 at 3:04 PM UTC in Is flouride bad for plants?
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2017-08-10 at 6:08 PM UTC in Xavier: Renegade AngelIt's pretty funny.
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2017-08-10 at 2:33 AM UTC in Is flouride bad for plants?You don't have teeth?
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2017-08-09 at 10:32 PM UTC in Is flouride bad for plants?Would you willingly drink an undiluted cup of the blue shit for shits and giggles?
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2017-08-09 at 9:58 PM UTC in Is flouride bad for plants?What's the largest amount you have drank without feeling nauseous?
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2017-08-09 at 9:53 PM UTC in Is flouride bad for plants?
