Posts by Obbe

2017-08-23 at 3:12 PM UTC in "Nimrod" is an interesting insult.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by Captain Falcon It was singlehandedly turned into an insult by Bugs Bunny. Not even kidding. In the canon, Nimrod is a great hunter. So in Bugs Bunny, he sarcastically refers to Elmer Fudd as Nimrod because he can't even hunt one measly rabbit.

I miss those classics.

2017-08-23 at 11:55 AM UTC in Why are people greedy?

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Little bit instinct, little bit how they were raised.

2017-08-22 at 11:29 PM UTC in The Singularity is Near.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Did you read Prime Intellect yet?

2017-08-21 at 3:13 PM UTC in How do tell my new employer i'm too much of a fuckboi to work the cash register?

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Just pretend you're black.

2017-08-19 at 5:02 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by Falco Well then you are just dumb my man. The input of a painting to you, to me, and to anyone else is completely different because the only does not solely determine the output.

Wrong, but again, you are smokescreening; I didn't ask you if it was free. My contention is that the system overall is free. I'm asking you if one element of it can be said to have an internal proximal cause.

Will shit negro, I've answered it a billion times already.

The way you feel about a painting may be different than the way the painting makes anyone else feel, but that is because the structure of your brain has been shaped uniquely due to various factors over the entire course of your life. Nothing about the way a painting makes you feel has anything to do with free will.

2017-08-19 at 1:05 AM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by Falco Could you imagine that the way that bounces around inside the system you call your body (i.e. higher order reasoning), is a response to, but not an effect of, that thought?

No, I cannot. Response is an effect. The way things "bounce around inside of you" is not something you are freely choosing any more than the thought is.

Answer my question.

2017-08-19 at 12:55 AM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by Falco Anyone engaging in higher order reasoning. Like us right now.

Higher order reasoning is not an example of free will. You are not engaging in higher order reasoning because you are freely choosing to. You are doing so because at this moment you are compelled to and could not possibly do otherwise. What is free about that?

2017-08-19 at 12:11 AM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

No.

2017-08-19 at 12:05 AM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by LegalizeSpiritualDiscovery This has been debated for thousands of years and still is today and is a controversial subject. Nobody is going to find or assert the definitive answer on a site called Niggas In Space. You're just jerking each other off.

You don't have to like it.

2017-08-18 at 11:48 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by mmQ Determined free will. What's so complicated about it?

If you don't know why you are doing something, how is it possibly something you are freely choosing?

If your will has already been determined, how is it something you are freely doing?

2017-08-18 at 9:34 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by Falco To put it simply, a compatibilist would also argue that most of your actions are NOT free will, if they are made out of first order reasoning rather than higher order reasoning. And unless you do employ 2nd or higher order reasoning, you are no different than a computer or a rock.

Then the question is simply, why does the existence of an ultimate external cause, invalidate the freedom of all the subsequent internal processes?

Because magic isn't real, cause and effect are. Your internal processes might be very complex but still follow the same rules as the rest of reality.

Say you had a choice between red and blue, you pick blue, I ask you why, you say because you like blue it's what you desired, I ask you why do you like blue, you say I don't know why I just do. Well if you don't know why you like it how is this desire something that you freely willed? At what point did 2nd order reasoning occur?

I mean this is how all our behavior works. If you think about any action, any desire, or any thought deep enough, it becomes clear that you don't really know why you do anything. If you don't know why you are doing something, how is it possibly something you are freely choosing?

Give me an example of a person with free will.

2017-08-18 at 8:40 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by Falco If he can will what he wills, would he be in control of his will?

I would say so. That would be free will. However, as you know that is impossible. And everyone feels like they have that freedom, but in reality they do not.

2017-08-18 at 6:32 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by benny vader but thats not what i wanted to address.

i just want to point out that your statement is phalse.

Ok

2017-08-18 at 6:14 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by benny vader didnt have to. i was replying to your statement that says :

''cogs doesnt have control''.

irregardless of whether a cog have or have not control over its breakage …. it does have a control of the machine when it does break.

True, but not out of its own free will.

2017-08-18 at 5:56 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Is a human in absolute control of their will?

No, he can do what he will, but he cannot will what he will.

2017-08-18 at 5:56 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by Falco

Free will would be being in absolute control of your will.

2017-08-18 at 5:55 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by Falco Is a rock or a computer an agent of will? No.

Will is not free will.

2017-08-18 at 5:37 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by Falco If the cog was an agent of free will, it would be in accordance with its will to break or function, unless induced by another agent.

I wouldn't call that free will. Do you believe rocks and computers have free will too?

2017-08-18 at 5:30 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by Captain Falcon Functioning when it functions and breaking when it breaks is part of its nature as a cog.

I agree. I just wouldn't say the cog has the freedom to absolutely decide what and when and how it does anything.

2017-08-18 at 5:12 PM UTC in Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

Originally posted by benny vader it does when it breaks and jams the entire machine.

Cog doesn't decide when to break. Breaks only when it has to, and it can't not break when it has to break.

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