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2018-10-05 at 3:06 PM UTC in What's the last TV show/movie that sucked you in?
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2018-10-05 at 10:45 AM UTC in What's the last TV show/movie that sucked you in?Ozark is pretty good, especially 2nd season.
I really liked American Vandal.
Just got into Maniac, really love the style. -
2018-10-04 at 9:42 PM UTC in Lindsey zywciel explains why women are getting crazierHow do you pronounce that name?
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2018-10-04 at 6:32 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by AL-LADdin That's what I'm saying: you fit into the system anyhow.
Who said anything about truth? Stop moving the goalposts. Religious beliefs are real. Just like money.
No such thing
See above. What you believe morally, or truth, are irrelevant for there to be a way you ought to behave. There is only self interest. If you don't want to go to forfeit your right to life for example, you don't murder. It doesn't have to be any more complicated than basic self interest.
Again, you are retarded: what do you think something's "real" value is? If you ask for a million dollars for it and someone pays it, do you think it's not "really" worth $1m? Or is it not "really" valuable because dollars are an illusion?
In which case, are you prepared to give all your money away. I mean, it's an illusion right?
Following your logic, there must be an infinite amount of "systems" we all fit into, like the ooogawooga system. That might not mean anything at all to you, but according to your logic it must exist because someone somewhere imagines it exists.
I haven't moved any goal posts you idiot. I've been talking about truth this entire time. I never claimed moral beliefs don't exist... only that they are imaginary, exactly like religious beliefs. Throughout this entire thread I have been consistent on my claim that a person's morality is their sense of what is right and what is wrong... but what they feel is right or wrong is not objective, it's imagined.
A Christian person has Christian morality. A psychopath has psychopathic morality. Whatever a person believes is right or wrong is their opinion or belief or imagination, not objective, not a truth.
Of course every goal has a way of being achieved that is better or more efficient or whatever than other ways. Of you want to win a race it's probably better to train than to sit around and watch TV. But there are no objective goals. There is nothing we should be doing. There is no way things are supposed to be, there is only how things are and how thing are not.
Value is subjective, like right or wrong. There is no "real" value, just like there is no "real" right or wrong.
Of course I wouldnt give all my money away, just like I wouldn't do things I consider to be wrong. That doesn't mean I believe the things I consider to be wrong are inherently or objectively wrong.
Why are you even arguing with me? Do you actually disagree with anything I am saying? -
2018-10-04 at 10:40 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by AL-LADdin Sure they did. In its softer form, the result is called a society. But usually, it's called a government.
We agree on the mandate every 4 years in the USA, for example. Of course real world governments aren't a very true reflection of the idea, but that's a failure of implementation. In theory, we would derive law in direct representation of each individual of the society but that was never, ever on the cards before telecommunications were invented, and it definitely still isn't now.
*thinks government and society are things he agreed to*
Originally posted by AL-LADdin Sure they are. That is the purpose of, for example, the police, or the military, which is meant to stop another society with different agreements from encroaching upon yours.
*thinks the police will protect him*
Originally posted by AL-LADdin Are you retarded.
*thinks people can't do whatever they want*
Originally posted by AL-LADdin Fortunately, other people are allowed to consider you unworthy of moral consideration in response.
It's not that people are "allowed to in response". Nobody needs to morally consider you at all, period.
Originally posted by AL-LADdin Irrelevant. Again, you don't need any particular moral system or considerations to be subject to the system.
You don't need to be religious to be affected by religious systems either, that doesn't make religious beliefs true.
Originally posted by AL-LADdin Dollars only exist in the minds of those who imagine it too. Objectively, it's just another mess of atoms. Care to donate everything you have to charity? It is an imaginary and made up idea after all.
Normal people have a normal sense of morality, what they believe is right or wrong, but their beliefs aren't truths. Similarly I may believe something is worth millions of dollars but that doesn't mean it has any real value. -
2018-10-03 at 9:20 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-10-03 at 9:10 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-10-03 at 8:54 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by AL-LADdin The problem is everyone else has agreed they will give up murder for the right to not be murdered, and now they have a person who does not respect that agreement in their society, and has breached it. So you don't get that protection: they can do whatever they want to you, because everything up to murdering you is less restrictive of your rights.
Nobody actually agreed to anything, and even if there were to do so they are not actually protected from any harm at all. People can do whatever they want to you, because morals and laws and "social contracts" are completely imaginary.
Originally posted by AL-LADdin Like I said, I don't consider animals to be worthy of full moral consideration under my system: they don't give a fuck about the social contract, they will kill and eat you regardless of your moral position as a matter of convenience.
Some people don't consider other people to be worthy of moral consideration, either. Because morality isn't something they think about or care about. They are able to do this because morality is a concept that only exists in the minds of those who imagine it. -
2018-10-02 at 10:33 AM UTC in Pokemon Crystal Clear - Open World HackI might try this eventually. Currently playing Pokemon Crystal for the first time in my life on the Odroid.
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2018-09-28 at 9:04 PM UTC in what's the last thing you bought?A hash sampler pack. 5 different types of hash, 1 gram each.
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2018-09-28 at 3:08 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-09-28 at 3:03 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by AL-LADdin Do you think imagination is some magic phenomenon that arbitrarily emerges from your ass and the spirit of god, or do you acknowledge it is some kind of natural/evolved phenomenon that is consequential to real agents that exist within the real world?
If I imagine you shitting your pants would you recognize it as real? -
2018-09-28 at 3:02 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-09-28 at 11:51 AM UTC in how to fix America
Originally posted by Glokula's Homabla 1. put the jedis, muslims, and disabled in concentration camps
2. enslave the spics, chinks, and niggers and force them to do sweatshop work
3. abolish women's right to vote and remove their rights so they are property of their man
What steps would you take to achieve these three goals? -
2018-09-28 at 11:04 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by mmQ Honest question lanyard, how is ought to be not an opinion? There's some moral, understood standard that we're not collectively aware of? Like a utopia?
How can an ought to be statement be based on facts?
Is there a mathematical formula that describes the ought?
He isn't claiming his statements are objective. Only logically consistent within his chosen moral framework.
Originally posted by Obbe His "moral statements" may be logically consistent within the moral framework he has chosen to adhere to, but they are not statements of truth because they are not statements about how the world really is or how it really isn't. Nobody has any obligation to recognize or accept someone's moral framework or their conclusions.
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2018-09-28 at 11 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny you're failing to understand what is meant when I speak about how the world ought to be if you think I'm talking about opinions.
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Then please explain what you mean. -
2018-09-27 at 9:18 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meatHis "moral statements" may be logically consistent within the moral framework he has chosen to adhere to, but they are not statements of truth because they are not statements about how the world really is or how it really isn't. Nobody has any obligation to recognize or accept someone's moral framework or their conclusions.
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2018-09-27 at 10:32 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meatI haven't ignored you, your definition doesn't make sense. The "way the world ought to be" is the way someone imagines the world should be. It doesn't exist anywhere outside of your imagination. Truth has nothing to do with it because truth is a matter of what is and what isn't, not what someone imagines. You keep repeating that isn't the case but you never explain why. You're just trolling, trying to get this thread to 2000 replies. If "the way the would ought to be" isn't imaginary, where is it?
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2018-09-26 at 8:46 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-09-26 at 8:45 PM UTC in why won't god let me be happy ?
Originally posted by RisiR † I have my own apartment and of course I believe in free will and morality. I also kicked all drugs except the ones I'm prescribed. One month and four days "sober".
I own my own house and have never been addicted to anything, I don't have to deal with any depression or mental illness and I don't constantly whine and complain to strangers on the internet about anything.
