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2019-01-20 at 5:58 PM UTC in what are you playing latelyI'm thinking about getting back into Minecraft again.
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2019-01-20 at 5:56 PM UTC in Lanny, stop word enhancementing.
Originally posted by Grimace Another brilliant copy/pasta from Speckles.
Does this somehow invalidate the information posted? -
2019-01-19 at 7:27 PM UTC in what are you playing latelyBeen playing Earthbound on my modded RS-97.
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2019-01-19 at 4:26 PM UTC in In the Bible, what is "God"
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2019-01-19 at 4:13 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny Well the case hasn't been maid yet that those things are or aren't a measure of goodness or badness, in the same way that the case for the reading of a voltmeter being a measurement of voltage hasn't been made yet. But if we could connect these objective measurements to morality then we'd have a case for there being an objective measurement of morality, wouldn't we?
I thought that's what you have been attempting to do. If you are admitting we have no reason to treat those things as objective measurements of goodness and badness, I think my case is closed. -
2019-01-18 at 7:19 PM UTC in Creating chaos in a city
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2019-01-18 at 7:01 PM UTC in Code Words for SearchIsn't that 2 words
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2019-01-18 at 3:01 PM UTC in Creating chaos in a city
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2019-01-18 at 12:52 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2019-01-18 at 11:54 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Did you just say you can't tell a good generator from a bad one, then outline exactly how you could?
That makes no sense. I believe can definitely all agree what is a good generator and what is a bad one - even aliens would be able to do this.
As such we are evaluating designs, so ideas, so there exist good ideas - which help you achieve your goals and are life affirming - and bad ideas.
What Terry Davis would call divine intellect vs thinking like a fucking nigger.
I told you that if a generator is performing the way you want it to you might consider that generator to be good. But someone who, for example, is against the usage of the type of fuel your generator requires would consider your generator to be bad, even if it is working fine. Are you paying attention? Goodness and badness is not something we can objectively measure. Different people can look at the exact same objective data and arrive at completely opposite conclusions about the goodness or badness of that data. -
2019-01-18 at 11:49 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny I just told you two things that we can measure fairly objectively to tell us how good acts are though.
Those things are objective measurements, but not objective measurements of goodness or badness. One measurement you mentioned tells us objectively how many "quality adjusted years of human life (an action) produced/reduced". That doesn't tell us objectively how good or bad that action is, it only tells us objectively how many years of human life is produced or reduced. Whether or not that is good or bad is not objective. It might be good for a human, but what is good for a human is not neccessarily objectively or inherently good. Your other example is the same.
Yes, Lanny liking spinach is an objective statement. Lanny liking spinach might be good for a spinach salesman, but we have no way of knowing Lanny liking spinach is objectively or inherently good. -
2019-01-17 at 7:27 PM UTC in Creating chaos in a cityThe movie "Fight Club" did a good job of blowing up some important buildings.
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2019-01-17 at 7:26 PM UTC in Creating chaos in a cityGet a basement. Raise locusts in the basement. Have large population of locusts. Kill off the weak ones using slightly less than recommended amount of powerful insecticides. Breed the survivors. Repeat process until most of the population is resistant to the pesticides. Begin to release the locusts.
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2019-01-17 at 4:13 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Is there an objective force that we can measure that tells you how good a generator is, with 100 being the best machine possible, and 0 being a pile of rust?
No?
But some machines are better than others. Not different, but better.
You cannot objectively measure how "morally good" a generator is. That is exactly what I'm saying. We cannot objectively measure goodness or badness.
However, we can objectively measure electrical potential and efficiency. If your generator is generating the electrical potential you require at an efficient rate, it is an effective generator and definitely is not a pile of rust. And if an effective generator is what I need I might say that is good, but that doesn't mean it is objectively or inherently good. -
2019-01-17 at 12:48 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Does a generator objectively exist as such?
All a generator is is an idea and a bunch of atoms.
Does structured matter exist beyond just being matter?
Oh, I agree we can have ideas and make them a reality.
But do you believe there is an objective force we can measure to determine how much goodness or badness specific actions or behaviors have? -
2019-01-17 at 11:49 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Lights require lots of different quantum phenomena, like surface effect, to work.
That means that the universe is governed by invisible rules and effects that we can't see (as they have no material reality) and can't predict without recourse to mathematical probability.
The idea that the universe is objective is wrong, but I don't understand, are you saying ideas don't real or what?
Ideas exists as ideas, not as objective properties of our reality. Something is good because I imagine it is good, not because there is some objective force that makes it good. -
2019-01-17 at 11:31 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny But an instrument with a numeric display isn't electrical potential, it's a way of measuring electrical potential. We have no independent, direct, objective access to electrical potential, we need a story about how the reading on the face of a voltmeter is a measurement of an underlying reality. Likewise with morality, we don't have direct access to it but that doesn't mean it's a mere matter of opinion any more than electrical potential is.
Incorrect. Your light needs a specific voltage to function properly. Whether we refer to this force as 120 volts or 500 Ubik doesn't really matter. There is a force that objectively exists and we can all see that when your light turns on. On the contrary, human life is only good if you imagine it is good. The exact same life could be imagined as either good or bad depending on the imagination of the person making that judgement, but there doesn't seem to be anything objective we can measure to tell us how good or bad that life actually is. -
2019-01-17 at 11:13 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny On the contrary, they seem to measure goodness or badness in about the same way as the reading of a voltmeter measures voltage across a circuit. It's true you need some kind of justification that the measure actually reflects the thing measured, but you should at least see that if such a justification is compelling then we have reason to believe in an "objective" morality.
I'm not really sure what you mean by "referential". I think there some actions that are good or bad, and that saying so is more than a mere statement of opinion.
Electrical potential is electrical potential, whether we refer to it as a "volt" or anything else doesn't matter. There is actually a force that we are measuring, no matter what we call it.
Human life is only good if you imagine it is good. There is no measurent we can make that will tell us objectively how good it is. There is nothing to be measured. -
2019-01-16 at 11:59 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meatWhy does Lanny believe human life is objectively good? Obviously human life is good from the perspective of a human, but what makes it objectively good?
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2019-01-16 at 11:51 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny There's lots of ways. A common one is "quality adjusted years of human life produced/reduced". Another is more binary: "does this action fulfill or violate my moral obligations". These things are about as measurable as any output of actuarial science, which no one claims is mere subjective opinion.
Neither of those are an objective measurement of goodness or badness.
