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2019-01-30 at 11:56 AM UTC in Might make some more new nis accounts today for my multiple personalitiesPopeye the Sailor
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2019-01-30 at 11:24 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meatSome scientists think we have reason to believe plants posses intelligence and can communicate and can feel pain.
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2019-01-30 at 11:20 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny If you thought people looking at objective data and coming to different conclusions is what damns morality then you'd also think the natural sciences and mathematics were simply imaginary. In fact it's difficult to imagine any sort of human pursuit where people don't draw different conclusions from the same data. This has never been a major obstacle in developing human understanding of the world.
I don't believe this damns morality, it just shows us morals are personal preferences. When people come to different conclusions about the goodness or badness of the exact same objective data that tells us more about their preferences than it does about the objective data. In fact, I don't believe what people imagine about the goodness or badness of objective data tells us anything about the objective data at all. How do you believe people can discover the true goodness or badness of objective data? -
2019-01-29 at 5:54 PM UTC in what are you playing lately
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2019-01-29 at 12:51 PM UTC in what are you playing latelyI got back into Minecraft.
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2019-01-28 at 11:39 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by CASPER I guess it comes down to whether or not you believe life has inherent value
I don't believe value or meaning is something the world inherently has. I think value/meaning is something humans apply to the world, and different people will apply different values or meanings to life.
Also the world will eventually take everything from you and it will eat you, so you might as well take a bite out of the world too. -
2019-01-28 at 6:10 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny You've confused definition with assertion of existence.
I don't really think you have. All I've gotten is "no objective measure" and "people disagree". The former is flatly wrong, and the latter is irrelevant.
Not really. I don't agree with your definition, and I reject your assertion. And there's not really much for me to explain - different people can look at the exact same objective data and come to different conclusions about the goodness or badness of that data; the data itself doesn't tell us whether it is objectively good or bad, and there doesn't appear to be any way for us to conclude whether the data is objectively good or bad.
Unless you care to explain why you disagree. -
2019-01-28 at 4:46 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny I've already told you repeatedly that we'll need a shared understanding of what is meant by "moral obligation" before I'll try to make the case for their existence. You've consistently sidetracked that discussion by insisting morals are imaginary or non-objective because you insist morals are just opinions. That is you take the term to mean "opinions" and then act like is somehow damning with respect to my position. You're the one wasting time here.
Why don't you call me a terrorist too while you're in the mood to jerk off to tired biggoted Sam Harris logic.
I understand what you mean by the term, I don't agree with it. If you continue to assert that morals are more than opinions without giving us any reasoning, we can continue to reject your assertion. I've already explained why morals are based in opinion. -
2019-01-28 at 4:16 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by CASPER I mean I sort of get it. Killing something- while natural- falls a bit outside of subjectivity though. If killing things is okay, why is it sometimes not okay (legally). Why do most people have a gut reaction to seeing something die?
Killing a thing is not inherently good or bad or even "ok". In reality killing a thing is killing a thing.
Whatever value we assign to the act is a value we assigned to that act. Sometimes the system deems these acts acceptable, and sometimes it does not. Sometimes we agree with the system, and sometimes we do not. The reason people have a gut reaction is instinctual/behavioral. Different people will have different reactions, for different reasons. But whatever we imagine is irrelevant to the system. -
2019-01-28 at 3:46 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2019-01-28 at 11:22 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meatI thought you have been attempting to make that case but I guess you're really just wasting time.
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2019-01-28 at 11:03 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2019-01-27 at 11:15 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny To answer that question we'd need to get into the subject of metaethics and to do that we'd need a shared understanding of what terms like "moral obligation" mean.
Actually we can answer that question through the realization that goodness and badness are not objective properties of the world but are imagined values assigned to the world by people who imagine things are good or bad. In light of this realization we can say that what is good is not inherently an action that helps more people than it hurts. -
2019-01-27 at 10:50 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny The utilitarian answer is "good" means "net positive utility for the body of morally considerable beings". So like of course sometimes actions help one person or group at the expense of others, a utilitarian says the action is morally permissible if more people are helped to a greater degree than are hurt.
Do utilitarians have more moral authority than other groups? Is their opinion more correct? A moral relativist might say what is "good" is not necessarily an action that helps more people than it hurts. -
2019-01-25 at 10:15 PM UTC in The Saturn - Moon Matrix
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2019-01-25 at 11:44 AM UTC in The Saturn - Moon Matrix
Originally posted by aldra https://www.reddit.com/r/PastSaturnsRings/comments/a1ao5i/saturn_moon_matrix_explained_pt_2/
is this you or are you just copypasting?
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2019-01-23 at 6:01 PM UTC in Whats this respect pronouns shit?
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2019-01-23 at 5:03 PM UTC in KR0Z Dogs for the NES
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2019-01-23 at 5:02 PM UTC in Whats this respect pronouns shit?
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Also known as enabling the mental disorder…if you care about people, don't be an enabler.
I know some trans people in real life. They both prefer to be referred to as women and I have no problem doing so. I understand that they are biologically males, and they understand that too. That doesn't matter. They are both good people who deserve to have friends that care about them, and because I care about them I visit them and spend time with them and treat them like the human beings they are. It's a non-issue. It doesn't affect your life. -
2019-01-22 at 8:59 PM UTC in The Saturn - Moon Matrix
