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2020-01-05 at 7:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood Making lots of money isn't everything. Most people regret wasting their lives doing the same thing and being stuck in an industry just because it was what they were familiar with. Those are the kinds of people like boomers that had to all be retrained to use computers at the start of 2010s and are still struggling to catch up.
Because when you just do something easy, something you have success with in the past you tend to follow that path. Like oh I used to do construction in highschool and now I own a construction company. And then the person turns 50 and realized they actually fucking hate construction and wasted their entire life doing it never seeking out new opportunities and experiences.
If you are happy doing what you do than thats good, that should be more important than just money.
That's where I'm currently headed, and I don't like it. Problem is cost of living is too high. Construction drains all your energy. Once you get in, getting out isn't easy. -
2020-01-05 at 7:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by Splam That depends on the size and scale. Business suits will not do you much good in construction related small businesses. If I'm a general contractor looking for someone to install my flooring and doors, I'm going to hire a contractor, not a business man. So dress like a contractor.
Yeah, I didn't say you should wear suits. But you said:Show up in a nice pair of sturdy jeans, 100$ hardhat, 150$ vest, showup in a nice new pickup etc. is the suit equivalent in the construction industry.
Which is just... not true. A fucking hardhat and vest? A pickup? They don't care about any of that. 99% of those renovation contractors wear jeans and a plain t-shirt. Maybe a dress shirt. They absolutely do not wear safety vests and hard hats when going into an office to discuss their bid lol. What kind of car you drive doesn't matter unless it's really shitty and cheap.
All they're going to care about besides being halfway respectable is your business plan. How much will it be, what will you do, how fast will you get it done, etc.
And in the case of bidding it's usually NOT a contractor. It's the business themselves. Contractors are more for individuals who don't want to deal with the details, not government/private bids. Contractors will always take their cut and it doesn't make sense to go through them when you're bidding. Especially since these jobs are usually very publicly advertised and easy to find. The whole point of using a contractor, as a business, is that they find work for you.
Been involved with this stuff since I was like 14. -
2020-01-05 at 7:54 PM UTCIn most townhouse projects etc, to get to the office to bid on jobs, you need to wear PPE. Coming in walmart bare minimum PPE to bid on a job where you'll be working the next year is not impressive. Dress to the role you will be doing. I'm not going to hire a business man to build my house, I will hire a carpenter. Business man is in the money making business. Carpenter is in the house building business.
I wish more people knew to skip the middle men in society. Bunch of leeches dressing up in fancy suits demanding society supports their ought-to-be criminal lifestyles. -
2020-01-05 at 8 PM UTCI've never worked construction but I think I could talk my way into most manual labor jobs. I am very good at talking myself into jobs I don't want, I put the very minium amount of effort and people always call me and try to hire me.
It weighs very heavily on my social anxiety and I start to have panic attacks and want to kill myself to escape the suffering. Sometimes I go to the interviews and they always like me which makes me feel bad because I don't want to waste their time so I accept the job and it's almost always something retarded.
I have had a lot of bad luck and every job I got was something I hated and could not stand to do. Maybe I have just become completely bitter and stopped caring if I live or die over the years, I don't know.
I used to enjoy going to work even without all the drugs. I just can't fucking deal with people I am broken like a wariat
Even the temp agencies are getting sick of my attitude, everyone thinks i'm retarded but I just can't handle the social aspects of anything, i just want to be a robot in an amazon warehouse or something.
I miss my old job at Sears they treated me like a robot there and had a 1800 number you could call for mental health problems a fucking corporate therapy. I used to call them high on meth and say I keep missing work and im high and depressed and suicide what do and they said go to the mental hospital but I didn't.
Why would I go to a hospital for doing too many drugs that seems like a waste of everyones time. I appreciate them taking the time to listen to my problems though
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2020-01-05 at 8 PM UTC
Originally posted by Splam In most townhouse projects etc, to get to the office to bid on jobs, you need to wear PPE. Coming in walmart bare minimum PPE to bid on a job where you'll be working the next year is not impressive. Dress to the role you will be doing. I'm not going to hire a business man to build my house, I will hire a carpenter. Business man is in the money making business. Carpenter is in the house building business.
I wish more people knew to skip the middle men in society. Bunch of leeches dressing up in fancy suits demanding society supports their ought-to-be criminal lifestyles.
Lol you are delusional. I have never seen an office where you need to wear protective gear to get in and talk to somebody.
People hire businessmen most of the time to build things and do renovations. A business can do it cheaper than a lone carpenter. Besides, most of those lone carpenter guys have their own business anyway. Even if it's just 2 or 3 people. -
2020-01-05 at 8:07 PM UTC
Originally posted by Splam In most townhouse projects etc, to get to the office to bid on jobs, you need to wear PPE. Coming in walmart bare minimum PPE to bid on a job where you'll be working the next year is not impressive. Dress to the role you will be doing. I'm not going to hire a business man to build my house, I will hire a carpenter. Business man is in the money making business. Carpenter is in the house building business.
I wish more people knew to skip the middle men in society. Bunch of leeches dressing up in fancy suits demanding society supports their ought-to-be criminal lifestyles.
This sounds like a gay nightclub.
Wearing construction worker outfit for no reason.
Nice HARD hat. I'm gonna give you a job RIGHT NOW. -
2020-01-05 at 8:12 PM UTCConstruction is a very easy job to get in to. Most of the guys are from temp agencies. It's a job with high turnover. Work even a little bit and they'll think you're employee of the month.
I knew a guy who was a forklift driver. He worked nights and public holidays for a 24/7 shipping company like FedEx or something.
With overtime he was on over $80k a year. -
2020-01-05 at 8:13 PM UTC
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2020-01-05 at 8:19 PM UTCExactly. You hire one of those lone carpenter guys who comes in and does it with two of his buddies. There is no way a business man can do it cheaper. Because the business man also needs to get paid! You're paying the business man to refer you to the carpenter instead of going directly to the carpenter himself. If you're stupid enough to hire a man in a suit to do your dirty work, by all means go ahead.
Townhouse complex, high rises etc, if you're bidding on flooring etc. for those projects, the office will be on site. Those sites are subject to regular inspections by worksafe. They will not allow you to enter the site without wearing a hardhat, vest, and steel toed boots. Once you're in the office you may take it off. There's a time and place for suits. Construction industry isn't one of them. Besides, I've always been skeptical to the intentions of people who wear suits and so are general contractors. -
2020-01-05 at 8:25 PM UTC
Originally posted by Splam Exactly. You hire one of those lone carpenter guys who comes in and does it with two of his buddies. There is no way a business man can do it cheaper. Because the business man also needs to get paid! You're paying the business man to refer you to the carpenter instead of going directly to the carpenter himself. If you're stupid enough to hire a man in a suit to do your dirty work, by all means go ahead.
Townhouse complex, high rises etc, if you're bidding on flooring etc. for those projects, the office will be on site. Those sites are subject to regular inspections by worksafe. They will not allow you to enter the site without wearing a hardhat, vest, and steel toed boots. Once you're in the office you may take it off. There's a time and place for suits. Construction industry isn't one of them. Besides, I've always been skeptical to the intentions of people who wear suits and so are general contractors.
You're talking about father son sized businesses.
Stop moving the goal posts. -
2020-01-05 at 8:26 PM UTCyo wariat do you watch afterprisonshow
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2020-01-05 at 8:30 PM UTCThat's a really small business competing for owner-occupier residential work.
That is completely unrelated to the topic. -
2020-01-05 at 8:31 PM UTC
Originally posted by too.dark.to.see You're talking about father son sized businesses.
Stop moving the goal posts.
I never moved the goal post. The thread is about dressing cool. You were saying you can't go wrong with a business suit when it comes to applying for work. I say wearing a business suit isn't cool in certain circumstances. You placed the goal post narrowly.
Back on topic. There are certain jobs and work, which when you apply for, where it is not cool to wear a business suit.
Originally posted by too.dark.to.see That's a really small business competing for owner-occupier residential work.
That is completely unrelated to the topic.
Nope. Topic is dressing cool. Topic isn't how to dress for wall street success. -
2020-01-05 at 8:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by Splam Exactly. You hire one of those lone carpenter guys who comes in and does it with two of his buddies. There is no way a business man can do it cheaper. Because the business man also needs to get paid! You're paying the business man to refer you to the carpenter instead of going directly to the carpenter himself.
Townhouse complex, high rises etc, if you're bidding on flooring etc. for those projects, the office will be on site. Those sites are subject to regular inspections by worksafe. They will not allow you to enter the site without wearing a hardhat, vest, and steel toed boots. Once you're in the office you may take it off. There's a time and place for suits. Construction industry isn't one of them. Besides, I've always been skeptical to the intentions of people who wear suits and so are general contractors.
This is just plain wrong. An established business gets better prices and can afford equipment that small teams cannot. You are clearly fucking retarded and have no experience in this field. You're just making things up at this point. Genuinely I don't think you knew what a contractor was at the start of this discussion. Goodbye loser -
2020-01-05 at 8:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by Splam I never moved the goal post. The thread is about dressing cool. You were saying you can't go wrong with a business suit when it comes to applying for work. I say wearing a business suit isn't cool in certain circumstances. You placed the goal post narrowly.
Back on topic. There are certain jobs and work, which when you apply for, where it is not cool to wear a business suit.
No you're being pedantic. If your auntie had balls she'd be your uncle. -
2020-01-05 at 8:37 PM UTCcool people dont worry what others think of themThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2020-01-05 at 8:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace This is just plain wrong. An established business gets better prices and can afford equipment that small teams cannot. You are clearly fucking retarded and have no experience in this field. You're just making things up at this point. Genuinely I don't think you knew what a contractor was at the start of this discussion. Goodbye loser
Cash4Gold is an established business. The fake it till you make it premise of the thread is valid as such. Some idiot will trust you with their gold if you dress up in a nice suit. Even though it weighed 20g on the scale and you tell them its 5g. If they dispute you'll give them price for 15g. That's the way cash4gold works. That's the way most businessmen in fancy suits work. And hell it seems to be working for quite a few of them. Recognize the scam, play people for it. Same as going to Africa in a fancy suit to a village where they rarely see white people and promising them lots of infrastructure. The suit is part of the con. -
2020-01-05 at 9:01 PM UTCIf you didn't put any effort in to respecting yourself and looking respectable and presentable I would not hire you, and if you already worked there I would fire you.
I wouldn't trust you to make a good impression on clients or take pride in your work, and I would be concerned your work attitude would cause low morale.
Do you even brush your teeth everyday? -
2020-01-05 at 9:04 PM UTC
Originally posted by too.dark.to.see If you didn't put any effort in to respecting yourself and looking respectable and presentable I would not hire you, and if you already worked there I would fire you.
I wouldn't trust you to make a good impression on clients or take pride in your work, and I would be concerned your work attitude would cause low morale.
Do you even brush your teeth everyday?
He does but he wears a safety vest and hard hat -
2020-01-06 at 12:14 AM UTC
