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2019-12-17 at 8:49 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace The free market leads to monopoly, which inherently harms the consumer
Free market never works and it has never worked.
You do understand otc drug prices are tightly controlled by monopolies?
Because of Healthcare costs being 2-3x more than other nations, Americans dont just go see the doctor. OTC drugs are the cheap option for people who can't afford the doctor. They keep it cheap so people buy it. Big pharma also lobbies to make drugs otc that are prescription in most countries. Like allegra or melatonin.
With a NHS you could just go to the doctor instead, and get free otc drugs if you meed them. Or prescription. Whatever a medical professional decides.
Republicans just prefer to have their lives dictated by corporations rather than government. They like when the people directly profiting from control are in control.
The lifespan averages speak for themselves. America is on par with 2nd and 3rd world countries for healthcare.
The free market leads to monopoly? Obviously not, if you would look at the 500 labs making generic tylenol, sunscreen, and space heaters.
You could maybe make a case for that with 19th century cowboy capitalism in which there's little to no regulation.. I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about moderate capitalism.
20 year patent$ is what leads to monopoly (I'm looking at you Viagra).
Also medical services (not drugs) being way more expensive is in large part due to the expensive training and wages of our medical staff, along with the shortages which makes those things even more expensive.
And if you're gonna bat for totally NHS with no complementary private insurance (whom will have to be competetive with the NHS should one be developed), you're gonna run into the unaffordable argument and there's no way to get around that. A non hybrid solution is too expensive. Canada realized that too late.
And yes simpleton, if you can't get seen for services you need to live than you will die if your body cannot wait that long. If it can, great, if it can't, you're dead and even if you don't die you could be causing massive damage that screw you up even further which means you need to wait even longer for even more services. We have several Canadians here that have vouched for this with people they know of.
6 months to see a psychiatrist.. think about how people are going to kill themselves before that long. -
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2019-12-17 at 11:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano The free market leads to monopoly? Obviously not, if you would look at the 500 labs making generic tylenol, sunscreen, and space heaters.
You could maybe make a case for that with 19th century cowboy capitalism in which there's little to no regulation.. I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about moderate capitalism.
20 year patent$ is what leads to monopoly (I'm looking at you Viagra).
Making your medicine is illegal. The companies have patents to make drugs which means you can go to jail if you try to make it yourself. In a truly free market people would innovate and make expensive drugs cheaper and use technology to do treatments more effectively.
Thats why we have established the niggasinspaceville clandestine medicinal substance research center.
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2019-12-17 at 11:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano Be American
-Understand that Free Healthcare isn't free no matter what
-Pay for healthcare but get seen right away
Be Canadian
-get raped in taxes
-maybe die because of wait times unlike Americans
USA has lots of wealth.
FUCK THIS ALREADY.. TIME TO REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH
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2019-12-18 at 1:34 AM UTCi expanded the mountain a little bit
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2019-12-18 at 1:41 AM UTC
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2019-12-18 at 5:13 PM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano I long posted about this recently but I'm actually not for our current system. It tries to apply free market principles in the absence of a free market, and the presence of what's basically the exact opposite, which is retarded and why it doesn't work. It's like trying to have a country that is Capitalistic and then using Communistic policy simultaneously and wondering why your free market is so chaotic and doesn't work. You have to be consistent.
The Rx drug market is so inherently fucked not because health is not nationalized, but because there is no free market, which is why the free market principles don't work; because they're planted in the wrong type of soil. The drug makers can charge whatever they want because the consumer has no say in which healthcare products and services they would like to purchase. Sure, they may petition the provider, but the provider has no obligation to change his mind, and ultimately the only freedom you have in this market is to buy the ONE (or multiple if you have a complex issue, but for simplicity sake you generally don't go on two beta blockers at the same time) drug your doctor prescribes you, or you have the choice to buy nothing. That's it.
That's not a free market, that's a dictatorship. This is why the free market approach doesn't work in this industry, because it's about as far from a free market as it gets. The doctor prescribes what he thinks he thinks is medically optimal (which is likely the newer, name brand drugs because the drug companies told him they're better), not what is the best value to the patient. The doctors don't know what the drugs cost, and they don't care. They aren't concerned with your ability to pay for your drugs. This is why the drug companies can charge $400 a month a month for a drug, because they know you don't have the right to opt for the $4 drug instead.
Now when we look at a truly free market, the OTC drug market, we see that the free market principles work exactly as intended with little to no issue. When tylenol comes out with laser drilled hole tylenol or a new NSAID comes to market, they can't charge $400 for a month's supply because their product wouldn't even make it to the shelf. Why would a vendor want to buy something so stupidly priced, let alone the consumer? No, they might to charge like… $12 instead of $4, instead of $400 as opposed to $4.
So the free market principles work when there is a free market, and in the absence of that they cause chaos. Allowing people to pick which prescription drug they would like to buy isn't realistic or feasible in today's world, so there is really no reason to even draw up plans for it. The only thing left to do really is adopt a moderate approach in which there is nationalized healthcare, and to simultaneously allow people to purchase private insurance if they so choose. This is a holistic approach in which you have one fully developed system, and another system to complement and work with it instead of against it like our current system. The other option is simply nationalized healthcare without private insurance, but there's gaps in that system which are easily fillable by simply allowing private insurance to co-exist peacefully alongside, yet outside of the nationalized healthcare system instead of being embedded into it. What I mean is that, everybody has to be able to go on the national system at any time for any reason, as Biden is pushing for, yet "if you like your plan you keep your plan" (wink).
lol, imagine the hellscape that would ensue from OTC antibiotics. Superflu crossbreeds with drug resistant TB in the second week and the human population of north american and europe is decimated -
2019-12-18 at 5:14 PM UTC
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2019-12-18 at 7:41 PM UTCwhere is POLECAT's house?
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2019-12-18 at 9:55 PM UTCThanks to your efforts in the agricultural sector we have granted you this mansion and leveled an entire city block to make room for your hemp farm so you don't have to leave the slums to farm anymore.
after the renovations
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2019-12-18 at 10:16 PM UTCWe should make a large nigga base in Tiberian Sun.
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2019-12-18 at 10:30 PM UTCAwesome Dude, but I hope you didnt demolition lala's little house next to my mansion during renovations
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2019-12-18 at 11:35 PM UTCOh my got wtf Scron
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2019-12-20 at 2:59 AM UTCThe niggasinspaceville university is complete. It's built in the middle of farm land for the weed growing research that goes on here
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2019-12-20 at 3:22 AM UTC
Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood The niggasinspaceville university is complete. It's built in the middle of farm land for the weed growing research that goes on here
Have me come out of my Don't bother me" lair and place me on a large loader truck. The monster trucks for the rock cories
I'm gonna be like Killdozer and rape that town flat -
2019-12-20 at 7:54 AM UTCWhen I got home a nigga replacing me
Had to take him to that ghetto University -
2019-12-20 at 1:20 PM UTCTMWPIIMH, did you do any home improvements on my house? Lets see the inside too.
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2019-12-20 at 2:06 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-12-20 at 3:52 PM UTCWe have hit 100k population. We got an airport, casino and a country club.
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2019-12-20 at 3:55 PM UTCOh yay!
