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2019-12-17 at 7:57 AM UTCPenis
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2019-12-17 at 3:15 PM UTC@§m£ÂgØL You can look up wait times to see a specialist/surgeon here and wait times to see them in Canada, it's all well documented. The wait times doubled up there virtually overnight for specialists and procedures because the government has to ration health care. We don't have to ration care. You think psych wait times are bad here? The average wait time to see a psych up there is like 6 months, and they don't have school shooter problems or floridians.
Also there's the quality of care. There's a reason why world leaders from socialized health care countries like Sweden and Canada and China and all over the world come over here for surgery and procedures. -
2019-12-17 at 3:39 PM UTCif i was a member of the sims game you're doing this niggasinspance sim on, i could use mesh and create your mayor MMR for you. he would actually look exactly like this picture, but in avatar format:
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2019-12-17 at 3:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by iam_asiam68 if i was a member of the sims game you're doing this niggasinspance sim on, i could use mesh and create your mayor MMR for you. he would actually look exactly like this picture, but in avatar format:
oh, and i could also create the Mayors (MMR) little doggie for him as well cuz i'm all <3 -
2019-12-17 at 3:55 PM UTCafter seeing who the Mayor of this sim is going to be, i feel much more at ease knowing his palace will be amongst the rest of you other faggots, while us DHers are slumming it in HeterosexualVille :)
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2019-12-17 at 3:58 PM UTCand if you really desire, i can make all of your avatars match the Mayors, accompanied by a gift pet puppy:
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2019-12-17 at 3:59 PM UTCyou know, that way there is no confusion, in case, if one you losers wonders over to visit our side!!
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2019-12-17 at 4:01 PM UTCI long posted about this recently but I'm actually not for our current system. It tries to apply free market principles in the absence of a free market, and the presence of what's basically the exact opposite, which is retarded and why it doesn't work. It's like trying to have a country that is Capitalistic and then using Communistic policy simultaneously and wondering why your free market is so chaotic and doesn't work. You have to be consistent.
The Rx drug market is so inherently fucked not because health is not nationalized, but because there is no free market, which is why the free market principles don't work; because they're planted in the wrong type of soil. The drug makers can charge whatever they want because the consumer has no say in which healthcare products and services they would like to purchase. Sure, they may petition the provider, but the provider has no obligation to change his mind, and ultimately the only freedom you have in this market is to buy the ONE (or multiple if you have a complex issue, but for simplicity sake you generally don't go on two beta blockers at the same time) drug your doctor prescribes you, or you have the choice to buy nothing. That's it.
That's not a free market, that's a dictatorship. This is why the free market approach doesn't work in this industry, because it's about as far from a free market as it gets. The doctor prescribes what he thinks he thinks is medically optimal (which is likely the newer, name brand drugs because the drug companies told him they're better), not what is the best value to the patient. The doctors don't know what the drugs cost, and they don't care. They aren't concerned with your ability to pay for your drugs. This is why the drug companies can charge $400 a month a month for a drug, because they know you don't have the right to opt for the $4 drug instead.
Now when we look at a truly free market, the OTC drug market, we see that the free market principles work exactly as intended with little to no issue. When tylenol comes out with laser drilled hole tylenol or a new NSAID comes to market, they can't charge $400 for a month's supply because their product wouldn't even make it to the shelf. Why would a vendor want to buy something so stupidly priced, let alone the consumer? No, they might to charge like... $12 instead of $4, instead of $400 as opposed to $4.
So the free market principles work when there is a free market, and in the absence of that they cause chaos. Allowing people to pick which prescription drug they would like to buy isn't realistic or feasible in today's world, so there is really no reason to even draw up plans for it. The only thing left to do really is adopt a moderate approach in which there is nationalized healthcare, and to simultaneously allow people to purchase private insurance if they so choose. This is a holistic approach in which you have one fully developed system, and another system to complement and work with it instead of against it like our current system. The other option is simply nationalized healthcare without private insurance, but there's gaps in that system which are easily fillable by simply allowing private insurance to co-exist peacefully alongside, yet outside of the nationalized healthcare system instead of being embedded into it. What I mean is that, everybody has to be able to go on the national system at any time for any reason, as Biden is pushing for, yet "if you like your plan you keep your plan" (wink). -
2019-12-17 at 4:01 PM UTCin the meantime, i'll be making the best looking female avatars you'd ever seen, and having roaming our side just for pure inspiration purposes only :)
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2019-12-17 at 4:07 PM UTC
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2019-12-17 at 4:08 PM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano @§m£ÂgØL You can look up wait times to see a specialist/surgeon here and wait times to see them in Canada, it's all well documented. The wait times doubled up there virtually overnight for specialists and procedures because the government has to ration health care. We don't have to ration care. You think psych wait times are bad here? The average wait time to see a psych up there is like 6 months, and they don't have school shooter problems or floridians.
Also there's the quality of care. There's a reason why world leaders from socialized health care countries like Sweden and Canada and China and all over the world come over here for surgery and procedures.
Wait times = death source? -
2019-12-17 at 4:47 PM UTCOkay so who wants to be the healthcare advisor?
I say we make Lanny the mayor and §m£ÂgØL the healthcare advisor.
HOW DOES THE COUNCIL OF NIGGAS VOTE (dh don't have voting rights) -
2019-12-17 at 5 PM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano I long posted about this recently but I'm actually not for our current system. It tries to apply free market principles in the absence of a free market, and the presence of what's basically the exact opposite, which is retarded and why it doesn't work. It's like trying to have a country that is Capitalistic and then using Communistic policy simultaneously and wondering why your free market is so chaotic and doesn't work. You have to be consistent.
The Rx drug market is so inherently fucked not because health is not nationalized, but because there is no free market, which is why the free market principles don't work; because they're planted in the wrong type of soil. The drug makers can charge whatever they want because the consumer has no say in which healthcare products and services they would like to purchase. Sure, they may petition the provider, but the provider has no obligation to change his mind, and ultimately the only freedom you have in this market is to buy the ONE (or multiple if you have a complex issue, but for simplicity sake you generally don't go on two beta blockers at the same time) drug your doctor prescribes you, or you have the choice to buy nothing. That's it.
That's not a free market, that's a dictatorship. This is why the free market approach doesn't work in this industry, because it's about as far from a free market as it gets. The doctor prescribes what he thinks he thinks is medically optimal (which is likely the newer, name brand drugs because the drug companies told him they're better), not what is the best value to the patient. The doctors don't know what the drugs cost, and they don't care. They aren't concerned with your ability to pay for your drugs. This is why the drug companies can charge $400 a month a month for a drug, because they know you don't have the right to opt for the $4 drug instead.
Now when we look at a truly free market, the OTC drug market, we see that the free market principles work exactly as intended with little to no issue. When tylenol comes out with laser drilled hole tylenol or a new NSAID comes to market, they can't charge $400 for a month's supply because their product wouldn't even make it to the shelf. Why would a vendor want to buy something so stupidly priced, let alone the consumer? No, they might to charge like… $12 instead of $4, instead of $400 as opposed to $4.
So the free market principles work when there is a free market, and in the absence of that they cause chaos. Allowing people to pick which prescription drug they would like to buy isn't realistic or feasible in today's world, so there is really no reason to even draw up plans for it. The only thing left to do really is adopt a moderate approach in which there is nationalized healthcare, and to simultaneously allow people to purchase private insurance if they so choose. This is a holistic approach in which you have one fully developed system, and another system to complement and work with it instead of against it like our current system. The other option is simply nationalized healthcare without private insurance, but there's gaps in that system which are easily fillable by simply allowing private insurance to co-exist peacefully alongside, yet outside of the nationalized healthcare system instead of being embedded into it. What I mean is that, everybody has to be able to go on the national system at any time for any reason, as Biden is pushing for, yet "if you like your plan you keep your plan" (wink).
The free market leads to monopoly, which inherently harms the consumer
Free market never works and it has never worked.
You do understand otc drug prices are tightly controlled by monopolies?
Because of Healthcare costs being 2-3x more than other nations, Americans dont just go see the doctor. OTC drugs are the cheap option for people who can't afford the doctor. They keep it cheap so people buy it. Big pharma also lobbies to make drugs otc that are prescription in most countries. Like allegra or melatonin.
With a NHS you could just go to the doctor instead, and get free otc drugs if you meed them. Or prescription. Whatever a medical professional decides.
Republicans just prefer to have their lives dictated by corporations rather than government. They like when the people directly profiting from control are in control.
The lifespan averages speak for themselves. America is on par with 2nd and 3rd world countries for healthcare. -
2019-12-17 at 5:06 PM UTCdh don't need voting rights.
it's rather obvious to us which of you suck cock vs the others that just think about doing it. -
2019-12-17 at 5:08 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Also US employers account for most of the US's spending on health insurance. Which is kind of ironic given our whole entrepreneurial mythos.
Like sure, health care is part of your compensation as an employee and you negotiate for it like anything else but it demonstrates that:
1. even American capital realizes that collective bargaining is necessary to pry anything resembling a fair market price on health insurance from entrenched providers
2. we don't actually have any qualms about frontloading costs on venture when we can get away with it, hell it's even a good thing for those that hold capital because it means you have to raise that much more in investment to have employees and that's leverage, and
3. we don't really pay for insurance any more than people in countries with socialized medicine do, they pay taxes, we relinquish a chunk of the market worth of our labor to an employer negotiated health insurance plan. Me and my employer pay ~$400 a month for my health insurance, of course only a vanishing fraction of that comes out of my paycheck but that's $400 more I could demand for my labor if it didn't come with the cost of helping me not die in the case of illness. The only difference between this and socialized medicine is that the smaller an employer is the more difficult it is for them to negotiate competitive rates. Great for corporate oligarchy, great for keeping poor people poor, but I don't exactly feel like I'm living in a libertarian paradise when market entrenchment and size of workforce correlates with what is basically a discount on the price of labor.
this is wrong on so many levels but luckily for you the only one who can point how wrong you are is banned. -
2019-12-17 at 5:19 PM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano I long posted about this recently but I'm actually not for our current system. It tries to apply free market principles in the absence of a free market, and the presence of what's basically the exact opposite, which is retarded and why it doesn't work. It's like trying to have a country that is Capitalistic and then using Communistic policy simultaneously and wondering why your free market is so chaotic and doesn't work. You have to be consistent.
The Rx drug market is so inherently fucked not because health is not nationalized, but because there is no free market, which is why the free market principles don't work; because they're planted in the wrong type of soil. The drug makers can charge whatever they want because the consumer has no say in which healthcare products and services they would like to purchase. Sure, they may petition the provider, but the provider has no obligation to change his mind, and ultimately the only freedom you have in this market is to buy the ONE (or multiple if you have a complex issue, but for simplicity sake you generally don't go on two beta blockers at the same time) drug your doctor prescribes you, or you have the choice to buy nothing. That's it.
That's not a free market, that's a dictatorship. This is why the free market approach doesn't work in this industry, because it's about as far from a free market as it gets. The doctor prescribes what he thinks he thinks is medically optimal (which is likely the newer, name brand drugs because the drug companies told him they're better), not what is the best value to the patient. The doctors don't know what the drugs cost, and they don't care. They aren't concerned with your ability to pay for your drugs. This is why the drug companies can charge $400 a month a month for a drug, because they know you don't have the right to opt for the $4 drug instead.
Now when we look at a truly free market, the OTC drug market, we see that the free market principles work exactly as intended with little to no issue. When tylenol comes out with laser drilled hole tylenol or a new NSAID comes to market, they can't charge $400 for a month's supply because their product wouldn't even make it to the shelf. Why would a vendor want to buy something so stupidly priced, let alone the consumer? No, they might to charge like… $12 instead of $4, instead of $400 as opposed to $4.
So the free market principles work when there is a free market, and in the absence of that they cause chaos. Allowing people to pick which prescription drug they would like to buy isn't realistic or feasible in today's world, so there is really no reason to even draw up plans for it. The only thing left to do really is adopt a moderate approach in which there is nationalized healthcare, and to simultaneously allow people to purchase private insurance if they so choose. This is a holistic approach in which you have one fully developed system, and another system to complement and work with it instead of against it like our current system. The other option is simply nationalized healthcare without private insurance, but there's gaps in that system which are easily fillable by simply allowing private insurance to co-exist peacefully alongside, yet outside of the nationalized healthcare system instead of being embedded into it. What I mean is that, everybody has to be able to go on the national system at any time for any reason, as Biden is pushing for, yet "if you like your plan you keep your plan" (wink).
not really.
the problem with drug price stemmed from the fact that drug companies are publicly listed companies. in the good old days when drug companies belonged to individuals or families excessive profit taking didnt happen because the owner of those drug companies dont want to appear as monsters.
but eversince those drug makers went IPO and became publicly owned, pursuing maximum profit and selling drugs at exorbitant prices became acceptable since it can be justified as 'in the best interest of the share holders',
and thus the barrier that has been hitherto until then kept the prices of drugs reasonable and affordable collapsed and disappeared over night.
all the ills that plague our society actually stemmed from a single source; the rentier class. in this example its the capital renters that are at fault. -
2019-12-17 at 5:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by iam_asiam68 dh don't need voting rights.
it's rather obvious to us which of you suck cock vs the others that just think about doing it.
We will have a vote discussing if you folx should have voting rights.
I say only one of you should be allowed to vote and you should find a representative among yourselves to be the voice of dh
I vote matt chew -
2019-12-17 at 6:01 PM UTCthat bitch will never be permitted to speak for me.
i will always represent myself, thank you!! -
2019-12-17 at 8:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny not really.
the problem with drug price stemmed from the fact that drug companies are publicly listed companies. in the good old days when drug companies belonged to individuals or families excessive profit taking didnt happen because the owner of those drug companies dont want to appear as monsters.
but eversince those drug makers went IPO and became publicly owned, pursuing maximum profit and selling drugs at exorbitant prices became acceptable since it can be justified as 'in the best interest of the share holders',
and thus the barrier that has been hitherto until then kept the prices of drugs reasonable and affordable collapsed and disappeared over night.
all the ills that plague our society actually stemmed from a single source; the rentier class. in this example its the capital renters that are at fault.
Oh, you mean the same companies that produce BOTH Rx and otc drugs pursue max profit in the case of Rx drugs, but they don't in the case of the reasonably priced otc drugs?
They are pursuing max profit for otc drugs as well, but they're doing so within an at least semi-free market, so they literally can't charge exorbitant prices or they will go out of business. -
2019-12-17 at 8:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano Oh, you mean the same companies that produce BOTH Rx and otc drugs pursue max profit in the case of Rx drugs, but they don't in the case of the reasonably priced otc drugs?
They are pursuing max profit for otc drugs as well, but they're doing so within an at least semi-free market, so they literally can't charge exorbitant prices or they will go out of business.
