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2019-09-13 at 10:22 AM UTC
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2019-09-13 at 11:11 AM UTC
Originally posted by Rear Naked Joke No I fucking hate you because you really have nothing to say and can't admit that you don't know shit or that you are wrong, fuckin ever. It is useless to talk to you because you are a waste of my god damn time.
I gave you the simple point that things are fashioned to some end in nature without any intention, not a single question you asked actually advances the discussion whatsoever or even elaborates what that actually means because you are a shitty sophist.
I'm giving you arguments in the clearest, most colloquial meaning of each of the words I use where it is entirely framed in the structure of the argument and you can use almost any reasonable definition of the word.
There's really no need for me to define these terms because I'm not giving some arcane definition and I'm not going to pick over your retarded game plan to eventually resolve in "it's all human words maaaaan" every time. Kill yourself.
Okay.
I full 100% admit I don't know shit. I have always thought things were fashioned by nature without any intention. I've never heard anyone call that "design" or "purpose" before. I still believe those are just concepts created by people, and no, I don't think there is anything special or magical about that.
I don't care if you hate me, but I think that's really shitty of you. I think telling me to kill myself, because I don't use the word "designed" to describe the evolution of sight, makes you a shitty person. -
2019-09-13 at 11:46 AM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe I have always thought things were fashioned by nature without any intention. I've never heard anyone call that "design" or "purpose" before. I still believe those are just concepts created by people, and no, I don't think there is anything special or magical about that.
I don't know how else to drill this shit through your head.
Salt is a human concept. Saltiness is a human concept. That doesn't mean salt didn't exist before humans existed or called it that. It wasn't called that but it was what we call salt.
I don't know why you have so much trouble with this separation. Do you think humans exist in the world or so you think they are magic?.
Design exists, even if you didn't call it that, the structure of something being fashioned towards a particular end still exists, a
not just stuff coming to be. There was an actual end of "see the environment" towards the development of the eye.
These biological "purposes" are real. Many parallel evolutions of eyes have been found on the Earth already, all pointing the same direction.
Similarly the process of carcinisation demonstrates that nature also seems to have some imperative towards making crabs in the ocean.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinisation
That doesn't mean nature likes crabs, but there's something in particular that it is (unknowingly) gunning for in that environment. It keeps trying to make crabs because there's something to that. That is a natural property of our world. Doesn't need god to put it into place. -
2019-09-13 at 12:04 PM UTC
Originally posted by Rear Naked Joke I don't know how else to drill this shit through your head.
Salt is a human concept. Saltiness is a human concept. That doesn't mean salt didn't exist before humans existed or called it that. It wasn't called that but it was what we call salt.
I don't know why you have so much trouble with this separation. Do you think humans exist in the world or so you think they are magic?
You don't have to tell anyone to kill themselves.
I think people exist in the world naturally without any purpose or design. No, I don't think that is magic. I think in an environment that selects for human beings, you will find human beings. I don't think it has anything to do with purpose or design.
You can keep writing gigantic posts about why I'm wrong if you really want to, but you claim to hate doing that. We can just not agree. It doesn't have to make you upset, you don't need to call me names or tell me to kill myself. -
2019-09-13 at 12:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe You don't have to tell anyone to kill themselves.
No I do, the world would be a better place if you died on purpose.I think people exist in the world naturally without any purpose or design. No, I don't think that is magic. I think in an environment that selects for human beings, you will find human beings. I don't think it has anything to do with purpose or design.
Do you think what people call design is a real thing that exists or no? Whatever they are referring to, exists in nature minus intent.You can keep writing gigantic posts about why I'm wrong if you really want to, but you claim to hate doing that. We can just not agree. It doesn't have to make you upset, you don't need to call me names or tell me to kill myself.
I don't have any problem discussing the subject, my only problem is doing it as a fruitless effort because you're not even interested in learning anything.
If you took a knife and slit your wrists in a warm bathtub, that would be a positive contribution to the world. -
2019-09-13 at 12:31 PM UTC
Originally posted by Rear Naked Joke It's a purpose of your design, to effectively persist in the world.
so if we apply your definition of what "design" is according to this :
Originally posted by Rear Naked Joke Design is when something is fashioned for a specific purpose.
we will get this as an answer for our purpose :
Originally posted by Rear Naked Joke It's a purpose of your [fashioned for a specific purpose], to effectively persist in the world.
The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-09-13 at 12:42 PM UTC
Originally posted by Rear Naked Joke No I do, the world would be a better place if you died on purpose.
Do you think what people call design is a real thing that exists or no? Whatever they are referring to, exists in nature minus intent.
I don't have any problem discussing the subject, my only problem is doing it as a fruitless effort because you're not even interested in learning anything.
If you took a knife and slit your wrists in a warm bathtub, that would be a positive contribution to the world.
Okay buddy. -
2019-09-13 at 1:07 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny so if we apply your definition of what "design" is according to this :
we will get this as an answer for our purpose :
That's because you are retarded and don't understand English.
So saying "the purpose of your design" is just saying "your were fashioned towards a purpose, that purpose is X". -
2019-09-13 at 1:31 PM UTCDisjointed philosophy
Falco's ferocity
Has shattered comradery
Discussion is wobbly
So lets all do sodomy -
2019-09-13 at 4:20 PM UTC
Originally posted by Rear Naked Joke That's because you are retarded and don't understand English.
So saying "the purpose of your design" is just saying "your were fashioned towards a purpose, that purpose is X".
no, you're saying our existence is the purpose of our design on one hand,
while saying our design is how we are constructed for our purpose on the other.
so now its like an oroboros slurping its own cock and tail in an neverending loop.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-09-13 at 4:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny no, you're saying our existence is the purpose of our design on one hand,
while saying our design is how we are constructed for our purpose on the other.
so now its like an oroboros slurping its own cock and tail in an neverending loop.
No, I said design is making something for a specific purpose. The purpose for which humans are ultimately made is to survive.
No Ouroboros is sight. I really don't even know what you're confused about. -
2019-09-13 at 4:42 PM UTC
Originally posted by Rear Naked Joke No, I said design is making something for a specific purpose. The purpose for which humans are ultimately made is to survive.
then why didnt you just said yes when i asked
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny so our purpose is to merely survive and reproduce ?
but instead of saying yes, you went
Originally posted by Rear Naked Joke It's a purpose of your design, to effectively persist in the world.
Don't conflate that with some divine decree for the meaning of life.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-09-13 at 4:48 PM UTC
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2019-09-13 at 5 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny then why didnt you just said yes when i asked
Because the point was to make a distinction between THE purpose (which you said) and A purpose. That is, it is not somehow "the point", like being the answer to the question "what is the purpose of my existence?"
However after reading the first sentence your made in china brain zapped the fuck out and you didn't contextualise it with the second one.
Let me break it down even further for you.
A Von Neumann machine is a machine that can replicate itself. It is the basic "unit" of evolution. Evolution happens when a Von Neumann machine creates a nearly perfect copy of itself. If these machines require resources to run, batural selection happens when these copies then, based on their slight variations, begin copying at differential rates based on selection pressures. Some copies come out retarded and malfunctional, sterile or incapable of sufficiently gathering resources. Perhaps resources are scarce and copies that would have been fitter in times of abundance now die off due to famine.
Essentially, your whole body's engineering towards the operation your mouth to sustain your dick and maneuver it into puss.
But that does not mean that's what you should do with it. It's not "the" purpose of your body and your self. Many other purposes have evolved within your body in the course of those basic motivations. You have evolved many degrees of freedom, including some that other animals evolve independently as well to cope with famine or plague, such as the ability to delay or forgo reproduction for the good of the herd (gay uncle genes) or for other similar aims. -
2019-09-13 at 5:12 PM UTCAnd Vinny, you fuckwit, just read the whole post you broken engrish chinaman.
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2019-09-13 at 5:27 PM UTCLike how can a nigga not know how words work? Obbe do you think beetles are real?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-09-13 at 5:28 PM UTC
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2019-09-13 at 5:52 PM UTC
Originally posted by Rear Naked Joke Because the point was to make a distinction between THE purpose (which you said) and A purpose. That is, it is not somehow "the point", like being the answer to the question "what is the purpose of my existence?"
However after reading the first sentence your made in china brain zapped the fuck out and you didn't contextualise it with the second one.
Let me break it down even further for you.
A Von Neumann machine is a machine that can replicate itself. It is the basic "unit" of evolution. Evolution happens when a Von Neumann machine creates a nearly perfect copy of itself. If these machines require resources to run, batural selection happens when these copies then, based on their slight variations, begin copying at differential rates based on selection pressures. Some copies come out retarded and malfunctional, sterile or incapable of sufficiently gathering resources. Perhaps resources are scarce and copies that would have been fitter in times of abundance now die off due to famine.
Essentially, your whole body's engineering towards the operation your mouth to sustain your dick and maneuver it into puss.
But that does not mean that's what you should do with it. It's not "the" purpose of your body and your self. Many other purposes have evolved within your body in the course of those basic motivations. You have evolved many degrees of freedom, including some that other animals evolve independently as well to cope with famine or plague, such as the ability to delay or forgo reproduction for the good of the herd (gay uncle genes) or for other similar aims.
all i want you to answer is a simple yes or no.
is our purpose, the purpose of humans, to libe and breed ?
no need to go off on a tangent. amd if you wanted context all you need to do was to scroll or swipe up.
btw, while not every 'a' purpose is 'the purpose', all 'the purpose' is 'a' purpose.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-09-13 at 5:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny all i want you to answer is a simple yes or no.
is our purpose, the purpose of humans, to libe and breed ?
no need to go off on a tangent. amd if you wanted context all you need to do was to scroll or swipe up.
btw, while not every 'a' purpose is 'the purpose', all 'the purpose' is 'a' purpose.
I answered it very precisely, read it or go fuck yourself. -
2019-09-13 at 5:56 PM UTCOur purpose is to love our creator with our whole heart and our whole soul and our whole mind, and to love our neighbors as ourselves. That is the whole of the law and the original purpose for mankind.
