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2019-09-12 at 8:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ A tornado could've picked up the house and set it there.
No, the stolid opinion is that it just assembled itself, over a period of millions, perhaps billions of years. Every square board and nail in it just all came together by itself, because nature wanted it to. I mean, a literal lunatic has got to be smarter than this, right? -
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2019-09-12 at 9:52 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-09-12 at 11:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe Okay. What is purpose?
purpose noun
pur·pose | \ ˈpər-pəs \
Definition of purpose (Entry 1 of 2)
1a: something set up as an object or end to be attained :Why do you think an eye has a purpose but psilocybin does not?
The mushroom's purpose is also survival, and from that it gets many other purposes. I'm sure its survival mechanisms have purposes I'm not aware of. The chemical is just a chemical structure and isn't evolved as far as we know. Maybe in the mushroom it has a particular purpose. The eye has the purpose of seeing because that is the end towards which it is tuned. But the fact that an eye is delicious to vultures or something doesn't make that it's purpose because that has nothing to do with why the eye exists in the first place. -
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2019-09-13 at 12:25 AM UTC
Originally posted by Rear Naked Joke purpose noun
pur·pose | \ ˈpər-pəs \
Definition of purpose (Entry 1 of 2)
1a: something set up as an object or end to be attained :
The mushroom's purpose is also survival, and from that it gets many other purposes. I'm sure its survival mechanisms have purposes I'm not aware of. The chemical is just a chemical structure and isn't evolved as far as we know. Maybe in the mushroom it has a particular purpose. The eye has the purpose of seeing because that is the end towards which it is tuned. But the fact that an eye is delicious to vultures or something doesn't make that it's purpose because that has nothing to do with why the eye exists in the first place.
Okay. Do you believe only things that are "evolved" have purpose, or do you believe things like "a rock" or "the universe" have purpose? -
2019-09-13 at 12:55 AM UTC
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2019-09-13 at 1:02 AM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe Okay. Do you believe only things that are "evolved" have purpose, or do you believe things like "a rock" or "the universe" have purpose?
I don't think of the word purpose as being very productive because again, I don't think someone gave it a purpose. There is a spectrum of purposefulness. Human intent for objects is at a fine end of the spectrum and is concentrated in such an extreme and complex way that it seems special, and it is, but it's not fucking MAGIC so idiots try to deflate it. This is because they fall victim to the most common pseudointellectual trap: lossy reductionism. It's all atoms maaaaan. I recommend you read this:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sellars/#2
It's not even a spectrum, it's a many dimensional design space. It's mysterious how purposes and meanings simply pop up in the environment and create new directions you could never predict. The universe is chaotic and creates its own direction in the most unexpected ways.
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2019-09-13 at 1:03 AM UTCGAY
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2019-09-13 at 1:22 AM UTC
Originally posted by Rear Naked Joke I don't think of the word purpose as being very productive because again, I don't think someone gave it a purpose. There is a spectrum of purposefulness. Human intent for objects is at a fine end of the spectrum and is concentrated in such an extreme and complex way that it seems special, and it is, but it's not fucking MAGIC so idiots try to deflate it. This is because they fall victim to the most common pseudointellectual trap: lossy reductionism. It's all atoms maaaaan. I recommend you read this:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sellars/#2
It's not even a spectrum, it's a many dimensional design space. It's mysterious how purposes and meanings simply pop up in the environment and create new directions you could never predict. The universe is chaotic and creates its own direction in the most unexpected ways.
Okay.
I never thought "purpose" was MAGIC, I don't know why you seem to think that, I've always thought "purpose" was just an idea humans came up with. -
2019-09-13 at 2:08 AM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe Okay.
I never thought "purpose" was MAGIC, I don't know why you seem to think that, I've always thought "purpose" was just an idea humans came up with.
How do you think humans work? This I why I fucking hate you man. It took us all these posts to say that there is design in nature because you are just an idiot and go around in semantic circles. -
2019-09-13 at 2:43 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-09-13 at 2:46 AM UTC
Originally posted by Rear Naked Joke How do you think humans work? This I why I fucking hate you man. It took us all these posts to say that there is design in nature because you are just an idiot and go around in semantic circles.
You "fucking hate" me and think I am an idiot because I don't adopt your perspective? Okay.
How do I think humans work? After all our conversation about determinism, do you really need to ask? Are you seriously asking me that right now? I'll tell you right now, I don't think it's MAGIC. -
2019-09-13 at 5:09 AM UTC
Originally posted by Rear Naked Joke When did I say "not the humans"? Humans have been designed, by natural selection. To survive and bear offspring. But that's just the backbone for all sorts of exploration into design space because you have to exist to do anything like that.
so our purpose is to merely survive and reproduce ?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-09-13 at 10:15 AM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe You "fucking hate" me and think I am an idiot because I don't adopt your perspective? Okay.
How do I think humans work? After all our conversation about determinism, do you really need to ask? Are you seriously asking me that right now? I'll tell you right now, I don't think it's MAGIC.
No I fucking hate you because you really have nothing to say and can't admit that you don't know shit or that you are wrong, fuckin ever. It is useless to talk to you because you are a waste of my god damn time.
I gave you the simple point that things are fashioned to some end in nature without any intention, not a single question you asked actually advances the discussion whatsoever or even elaborates what that actually means because you are a shitty sophist.
I'm giving you arguments in the clearest, most colloquial meaning of each of the words I use where it is entirely framed in the structure of the argument and you can use almost any reasonable definition of the word.
There's really no need for me to define these terms because I'm not giving some arcane definition and I'm not going to pick over your retarded game plan to eventually resolve in "it's all human words maaaaan" every time. Kill yourself.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
