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2019-05-29 at 4:07 PM UTC
Solicitation has in the U.S. these unique elements:
the encouraging, bribing, requesting, or commanding a person
to commit a substantive crime,
with the intent that the person solicited commit the crime.
Unlike conspiracy, there is no overt step necessary for solicitation, one person can be a defendant and it merges with the substantive crime.
It is not necessary that the person commit the crime, nor is it necessary that the person solicited be willing or able to commit the crime (such as if the "solicitee" were an undercover police officer).
For example, if Alice commands Bob to assault Charlie, and Alice intends for Bob to assault Charlie, then Alice is guilty of solicitation. However, if Alice commands Bob to assault Charlie without intending that a crime be committed (perhaps believing that Charlie has given consent), then there is no solicitation.
An interesting twist on solicitation occurs when a third party that the solicitor did not intend to receive the incitement overhears the request to the original solicitee and unbeknownst to the solicitor, commits the target offense. In a minority of jurisdictions in the United States, this situation would still be considered solicitation even though the defendant never intended the person that committed the crime to have done so.
Solicitation is also subject to the doctrine of merger, which applies in situations where the person solicited commits the crime. In such a situation, both Alice and Bob could be charged with the crime as accomplices, which would preclude conviction under solicitation; a person cannot be punished for both solicitation and the crime solicited.
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2019-05-29 at 4:08 PM UTC
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2019-05-29 at 4:11 PM UTC
Solicitation is the act of offering, or attempting to purchase, goods or services. Legal status may be specific to the time or place where it occurs.[clarification needed] The crime of "solicitation to commit a crime" occurs when a person encourages, "solicits, requests, commands, importunes or otherwise attempts to cause" another person to attempt or commit a crime, with the purpose of thereby facilitating the attempt or commission of that crime.[1]:698–702
do you know what those words mean speckles?
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2019-05-29 at 4:16 PM UTC
Originally posted by Narc its known as solicitation speckles, ya dumb fuckhead
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Wrong again. You need to look at those definitions first.
so·lic·it
/səˈlisit/
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verb
ask for or try to obtain (something) from someone.
"he called a meeting to solicit their views"
synonyms: ask for, request, apply for, put in for, seek, beg, plead for, sue for, crave, canvass, call for, drum up, press for; rareimpetrate
"Phil had been trying to solicit his help all morning"
ask (someone) for something.
"historians and critics are solicited for opinions by the auction houses"
accost someone and offer one's or someone else's services as a prostitute.
"prostitutes solicit openly on the streets"
synonyms: work as a prostitute, engage in prostitution, accost people, make sexual advances, tout (for business); informalhustle
"prostitutes gather in the center of the city to solicit"
When you post a link, you are not soliciting, you are merely posting information.
im·por·tune
/ˌimpôrˈt(y)o͞on/
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verb
harass (someone) persistently for or to do something.
"reporters importuned him with pointed questions"
synonyms: beg, beseech, entreat, implore, plead with, appeal to, apply to, call on, supplicate, solicit, petition, enjoin; More
approach (someone) to request or offer sexual services, especially as a prostitute.
"the girl is charged with loitering in a public place with intent to solicit or importune another person"
synonyms: solicit, make sexual advances, offer one's services as a prostitute;
Nobody is forcing anyone to click the link. There is no proactive coercion associated to posting a link to content stored elsewhere. You can click it, or not.
fa·cil·i·tate
/fəˈsiləˌtāt/
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verb
gerund or present participle: facilitating
make (an action or process) easy or easier.
"schools were located on the same campus to facilitate the sharing of resources"
synonyms: make easy/easier, ease, make possible, make smooth/smoother, smooth, smooth the path of, smooth the way for, clear the way for, open the door for;
There's no proof that posting a link to information stored elsewhere makes it "easier" for a person to access that information, because there is no proactive coercion to compel that person to use the link in the first place. How can it be "easier" or "harder" to access illegal content through a hotlink, when no one asked the person to access the illegal content in the first place. The only offering was the link itself, not the content the link was linked to. -
2019-05-29 at 4:21 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL Wrong again. You need to look at those definitions first.
so·lic·it
/səˈlisit/
Learn to pronounce
verb
ask for or try to obtain (something) from someone.
"he called a meeting to solicit their views"
synonyms: ask for, request, apply for, put in for, seek, beg, plead for, sue for, crave, canvass, call for, drum up, press for; rareimpetrate
"Phil had been trying to solicit his help all morning"
ask (someone) for something.
"historians and critics are solicited for opinions by the auction houses"
accost someone and offer one's or someone else's services as a prostitute.
"prostitutes solicit openly on the streets"
synonyms: work as a prostitute, engage in prostitution, accost people, make sexual advances, tout (for business); informalhustle
"prostitutes gather in the center of the city to solicit"
When you post a link, you are not soliciting, you are merely posting information.
im·por·tune
/ˌimpôrˈt(y)o͞on/
Learn to pronounce
verb
harass (someone) persistently for or to do something.
"reporters importuned him with pointed questions"
synonyms: beg, beseech, entreat, implore, plead with, appeal to, apply to, call on, supplicate, solicit, petition, enjoin; More
approach (someone) to request or offer sexual services, especially as a prostitute.
"the girl is charged with loitering in a public place with intent to solicit or importune another person"
synonyms: solicit, make sexual advances, offer one's services as a prostitute;
Nobody is forcing anyone to click the link. There is no proactive coercion associated to posting a link to content stored elsewhere. You can click it, or not.
fa·cil·i·tate
/fəˈsiləˌtāt/
Learn to pronounce
verb
gerund or present participle: facilitating
make (an action or process) easy or easier.
"schools were located on the same campus to facilitate the sharing of resources"
synonyms: make easy/easier, ease, make possible, make smooth/smoother, smooth, smooth the path of, smooth the way for, clear the way for, open the door for;
There's no proof that posting a link to information stored elsewhere makes it "easier" for a person to access that information, because there is no proactive coercion to compel that person to use the link in the first place. How can it be "easier" or "harder" to access illegal content through a hotlink, when no one asked the person to access the illegal content in the first place. The only offering was the link itself, not the content the link was linked to.
that's not the legal definition of solicit. legal definitions are often different to common definition of a word.
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2019-05-29 at 4:25 PM UTCcould also use 'incitement to commit a crime against them also.
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees free speech, and the degree to which incitement is protected speech is determined by the imminent lawless action test introduced by the 1969 Supreme Court decision in the case Brandenburg v. Ohio. The court ruled that incitement of events in the indefinite future was protected, but encouragement of "imminent" illegal acts was not protected. This "view reflects longstanding law and is shared by the Federalist Society, the ACLU, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, and the vast majority of Americans, including most staunch free-speech advocates."[19]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement#United_States
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2019-05-29 at 4:31 PM UTCthere you go
Revised Statutes
TITLE 14 — Criminal law
RS 14:28 — Inciting a felony
Universal Citation: LA Rev Stat § 14:28
§28. Inciting a felony
A. Inciting a felony is the endeavor by one or more persons to incite or procure another person to commit a felony.
B. Whoever commits the crime of inciting a felony shall be fined not more than one thousand dollars, or imprisoned, with or without hard labor, for not more than two years, or both.
C. If an offender over the age of seventeen years commits the crime of inciting a felony by endeavoring to incite or procure a person under the age of seventeen years to commit a felony, the offender shall be fined not more than one thousand dollars and imprisoned at hard labor for not more than five years.
Amended by Acts 1968, No. 647, §1; Acts 1994, 3rd Ex. Sess., No. 131, §1.
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2019-05-29 at 4:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by Common De-mominator The referral link gives them 20% of the profits from the DNMs they referred those customers to. So they're directly profiting off the sale of illicit drugs through those referral links. It's an ongoing two way relationship. The money tracks all the way back.
thats just like how commission works.
say a used car dealer introduced a would be bank robber a decent reasonably priced car and made a clean 20% commission from it,
and days later that same car is used as a get away car in an armed robbery. should we charge the used car salesman withnaiding amd abetting armed robbery ?
drug dealers sell drugs, they didnt force you to buy drugs.
referrers refer you to drugs, they didnt force you to buy drugs.
refferrers are nothing but practitioners of freedom of information.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-05-29 at 4:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by Narc
that's not the legal definition of solicit. legal definitions are often different to common definition of a word.
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You're talking about the lawless feds' definition of solicitation, which really means jack shit, and has nothing at all to do with the real world or any law on the books. -
2019-05-29 at 4:42 PM UTC
Originally posted by Narc there you go
Revised Statutes
TITLE 14 — Criminal law
RS 14:28 — Inciting a felony
Universal Citation: LA Rev Stat § 14:28
§28. Inciting a felony
A. Inciting a felony is the endeavor by one or more persons to incite or procure another person to commit a felony.
B. Whoever commits the crime of inciting a felony shall be fined not more than one thousand dollars, or imprisoned, with or without hard labor, for not more than two years, or both.
C. If an offender over the age of seventeen years commits the crime of inciting a felony by endeavoring to incite or procure a person under the age of seventeen years to commit a felony, the offender shall be fined not more than one thousand dollars and imprisoned at hard labor for not more than five years.
Amended by Acts 1968, No. 647, §1; Acts 1994, 3rd Ex. Sess., No. 131, §1.
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in·cite
/inˈsīt/
verb
encourage or stir up (violent or unlawful behavior).
"the offense of inciting racial hatred"
synonyms: stir up, whip up, work up, encourage, fan the flames of, stoke up, fuel, kindle, ignite, inflame, stimulate, instigate, provoke, excite, arouse, awaken, waken, inspire, trigger, spark off, ferment, foment, agitate for/against; More
urge or persuade (someone) to act in a violent or unlawful way.
"he incited loyal subjects to rebellion"
But when you post a link to illegal content, you are not inciting or encouraging or stirring up anything. If a person posts a link to a shoe store, the person is not encouraging anyone in particular to buy shoes, only letting everyone know where they can be found. That's journalism and free speech, not incitement. Words are important, especially in law. -
2019-05-29 at 4:42 PM UTC
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2019-05-29 at 4:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by CASPER Are you entirely sure about that? Bc i feel like 2 people i know have been charged with conspiracy to distribute for that exact shit. lol.
It's illegal what they are doing, making up new laws as they go along and illegally enforcing their illegal laws. They are not supposed to be law-makers, they are supposed to be law keepers, but they aren't. It's all about the $$$. What they really want to do is get the money for themselves; that's what it's really all about. Not about law, not about public safety. It's about profiting from society and enriching themselves in the process, and using illegal means to do it. -
2019-05-29 at 4:47 PM UTC
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2019-05-29 at 4:48 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL in·cite
/inˈsīt/
verb
encourage or stir up (violent or unlawful behavior).
"the offense of inciting racial hatred"
synonyms: stir up, whip up, work up, encourage, fan the flames of, stoke up, fuel, kindle, ignite, inflame, stimulate, instigate, provoke, excite, arouse, awaken, waken, inspire, trigger, spark off, ferment, foment, agitate for/against; More
urge or persuade (someone) to act in a violent or unlawful way.
"he incited loyal subjects to rebellion"
But when you post a link to illegal content, you are not inciting or encouraging or stirring up anything. If a person posts a link to a shoe store, the person is not encouraging anyone in particular to buy shoes, only letting everyone know where they can be found. That's journalism and free speech, not incitement. Words are important, especially in law.
i know you think you're trolling, but you're not. this is just being a moron and what i'm doing is just highlighting what a moron you are.
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2019-05-29 at 4:57 PM UTC
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2019-05-29 at 5 PM UTCfor a troll there has to be an endgame speckles. just posting wrong shit online just makes you the guy who got it wrong.
you're that guy quite a lot aren't you specs?
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2019-05-29 at 5:22 PM UTChere speckles, take a look at this
i've known a few lads back in london that would go round posting those cards advertising prostitutes in phone booths.
would you say that was illegal to do and if so what would you say the charge would be?
bare in mind deepdotweb linking to DNMs and child porn and abuse sites is literally the electronic version of posting those cards around.
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