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should lanny stop pretending to be an important philosopher
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2018-11-11 at 5:30 AM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks If you mean literally, you might be onto something, since they didn't exactly have toilet paper back then, and Diogenes, well, he literally lived like a dog.
But if you mean in terms of their ideas, I'd care to hear your elaborations?
They advanced Western thinking with incredible haste.
Probably not what §m£ÂgØL is talking about, but if you want an interesting argument sorta "against" Socrates, check out Nietzsche's "The Problem of Socrates" in "Twilight of Idols". You can find copies online. The gist is that Socrates wasn't killed for just being an obnoxious shit who annoyed everyone he talked to, but basically that society is arbitrary but functional, and it works because we normally don't question how arbitrary it is. When you start trying to understand a society on an intellectual level, as Socrates did by questioning things like virtue, or the gods, or justice, and basically forcing people to think about those things instead of accepting society's answers you jeopardize social cohesion. And that only a society which is already experiencing anxiety about those things is susceptible to the kinds of challenges that Socrates represents.
I mean basically Nietzsche is still sucking Socrates' dick if you step back and think about the kind of things N-dog was into, and rightly so, but it does kind of recast Socrates' character from the traditional idea of the guy chasing the sophists out of Athens and challenging the hypocritical blowhards of Athenian aristocracy into a kind of anti-social iconoclast. I mean the traditional narrative does paint Socrates like that, but I think the normal retelling kind of treats Socrates as an intellectual Robinhood or something, someone working to cure the culture of what ales it, rather than a symptom of it's underlying sickness. -
2018-11-11 at 5:35 AM UTC
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2018-11-11 at 6:27 AM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Well, technically you're a plumber if you plunge your toilet or hook up a few pipes and gaskets.
You're also technically a chef if you can follow a recipe and prepare a Thanksgiving dinner for a whole host of people.
You might even say you're a mathmetician if you can count from 1 to 2.
It's all a matter of degree.
And the word degree is unexpectedly quite relevant to make this point.
Officially speaking, there are certifications/credentials one must accumulate in order to truly and officially proclaim to be a philosopher, plumber, mathematician, chef, etc.
It's all about the standardization and academic measurement that comes with formal education.
I could fancy myself a philosopher all I want, because I do read a lot of the traditional thinkers, and heck, I even have a minor in philosophy, so I have the teeniest morsel of evidence to substantiate the validity of my "philosopher" status (truly the bare minimum though).
I don't think anyone is really all that pretentious enough to simply tune out any opinion from an Unofficial Philosopher TM outright merely because of the source, because that is one of the most fundamental logical fallacies - the Ad Hominem attack (attacking the arguer, not the argument itself).
With all that being said, though, would you be more likely to trust a philosopher with a PhD over some rambling NIS poster, assuming the arguments proposed aren't uncontroversial enough to make a judgment on their claims alone?
Are you also willing to let the chef with toaster experience to cook for you, or the handyman with but a wrench and plunger on his tool belt?
So essentially you need to be accredited to be a thing. Your status as "a thing" is dependent on people agreeing with it? You're not a plumber unless society sees your piece of paper that says "totally a plumber"? 🤔
I call bullshit. Kafka was a writer before anyone knew he'd written anything. You are what you do, not what people acknowledge you for doing. 🤔🤔🤔🤔 -
2018-11-11 at 7:04 AM UTCHEY SEAN SHUT UP
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2018-11-11 at 7:19 AM UTCOh yeah, I forgot about that. Do you go by Sean IRL? I think you said Lucy is purely confined to the internet. What name do people call you by HTS?
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2018-11-11 at 8:18 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Do you go by Sean IRL? I think you said Lucy is purely confined to the internet. What name do people call you by HTS?
I go by whatever people feel like calling me. People who like me usually call me Lucy. I prefer Lucy. I don't really care though. A rose by any other name, and all that. People IRL call me HTS more often than you'd expect too. 😅The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-11-11 at 8:25 AM UTCLol Plato was such a dumbass. The things I think about in my shower are vastly beyond then the beginnings of whatever thoughts that fag ever had. Not his fault I guess.
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2018-11-11 at 9:41 AM UTC
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2018-11-11 at 9:44 AM UTC
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2018-11-11 at 9:47 AM UTC
Originally posted by Glokula's Homabla shut up you stupid faggot. he wastes his life studying bullshit and its pathetic. stop trying to apply false psychoanalysis to help you sleep at night
You write like a 13 year old. How about you actually try to do something in your life other than being a faggot and living with your parents? -
2018-11-11 at 9:48 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Probably not what §m£ÂgØL is talking about, but if you want an interesting argument sorta "against" Socrates, check out Nietzsche's "The Problem of Socrates" in "Twilight of Idols". You can find copies online. The gist is that Socrates wasn't killed for just being an obnoxious shit who annoyed everyone he talked to, but basically that society is arbitrary but functional, and it works because we normally don't question how arbitrary it is. When you start trying to understand a society on an intellectual level, as Socrates did by questioning things like virtue, or the gods, or justice, and basically forcing people to think about those things instead of accepting society's answers you jeopardize social cohesion. And that only a society which is already experiencing anxiety about those things is susceptible to the kinds of challenges that Socrates represents.
I mean basically Nietzsche is still sucking Socrates' dick if you step back and think about the kind of things N-dog was into, and rightly so, but it does kind of recast Socrates' character from the traditional idea of the guy chasing the sophists out of Athens and challenging the hypocritical blowhards of Athenian aristocracy into a kind of anti-social iconoclast. I mean the traditional narrative does paint Socrates like that, but I think the normal retelling kind of treats Socrates as an intellectual Robinhood or something, someone working to cure the culture of what ales it, rather than a symptom of it's underlying sickness.
Lol you're such a try hard faggot -
2018-11-11 at 9:51 AM UTC
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2018-11-11 at 11:02 AM UTC
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2018-11-11 at 12:22 PM UTCHTS is a top tier tranny
Nietzsche was wrong about so much more than he was right, I really don't know why he's even talked about. He was a horrible faggot too and kind of a fraud who espoused self identity but di dnt really even have one or understand his own.
I don't think he should be mentioned in the same breath as good philosophers but he was right about things like power.
I find it hard to respect anyone who uses him as an example of an actual philosopher. It's hard to respect them and I assume they just want to justify their homosexual tendencies. -
2018-11-11 at 12:29 PM UTCI'm not super hot on Nietzsche's philosophy either, but I do think he's actually a pretty interesting writer if we just pretend like thus spoke zarathustra wasn't actually a thing. And his work was influential to a lot of, IMO, better philosophers of the 20th century.
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2018-11-11 at 2:15 PM UTC@Lanny yesterday I got "The myth of Sisyphus" and "Atlas Shruggged" I've never read anything by either author. Which books do you think I will like more? Which one should I read first? Do you like those authors?
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2018-11-11 at 2:17 PM UTCNietzsche wrote for those who could understand and for those who could follow, not for the common man. Or the literal untermensch, like Sudo.
Besides his books look badass on a shelf. "Beyond Good and Evil", "Twilight of the Gods", etc. -
2018-11-11 at 3:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by Odigo Messenger - Now With Free 911 Service Nietzsche wrote for those who could understand and for those who could follow, not for the common man. Or the literal untermensch, like Sudo.
Besides his books look badass on a shelf. "Beyond Good and Evil", "Twilight of the Gods", etc.
it's shocking that goytoy here needs to justify his homosexual tendencies -
2018-11-11 at 3:51 PM UTCHe should just kill himself.
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2018-11-11 at 7:11 PM UTCMaybe Lamy isn't above us but rather aside of us and himself. he's rolling parall0l on the kitty-rail of no fail. and is trying hard to get over his G-d given right of snobbery to warn us of the giant brick wall that our world is headed for.
