We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat

1. 2018-09-26 at 12:45 AM UTC

   #1921
   

   Lanny Bird of Courage
   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 [quote pk=548871 author="Obbe"] It has to be what someone thinks the world should be... the world doesn't think it should be one way or another. [/quote] The world doesn't think it is one way or another either. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJOBAEBCAA4FiEEaplk9V8kovCcp8BrznljHEc+lFoFAluq1r0aHGxhbi5yb2dl cnMuYm9va0BnbWFpbC5jb20ACgkQznljHEc+lFpk9Q//flWZDSzQfPcWjJe5y/CU c4UsKO7ELBoZicklWpWF7wNvoc99g7dW8JJG8blxuSfYCz71Tn5JatqrEWo6w0bi PD3wPohjodoR9j09fk6jHyFL3wt3wPzLeVV/GB47iRHDKNmQeKR3lYhVqz00IEEw Qj5cZWs65Tyt7MJV5mlqCH3Dke3I40TzOFfqjxvOqSKvziXPI7xJ7Nnvr5FO9Yx2 h8Su3yDq5TV+JlzImEkufzD71UIylkNQnDzSwYwz6S91QwkOReEI2zAsNQWU8w7l 9krGn9Ed/iAOsnfv9bVvcZTvziSg7IE7wsR+Aue967lsQkl304GzgPHYRaBbURDU saQTlEyDXSkgppeMUvFs8ip437E0WUpsHSO38R3OrPsOps3v8eIDJDxkVtJKKpHz P4a3TM3FQOZMtC+UgSbuSMvQr0kpeRkwe5jVSdIoqrsK3tY3fQ0/FE8GEq1eyflP HjL1WeXZ03HuHsARzqA/QvSFnAWJPkBk93RgWC/HJsFkRQp2JsmXcV6Z+7eqHuDW l9mNlVppZfBam8945KMr7BNXT0DnsUOF1/srHWjZHXJRy/g29WKUAkG6FjSguVcF GFsrnMl00TKWpdpuUDEXSZz20zY363V1cOpqtfBs6d71/B1JTFG5ASDbymvuOE23 mpjdJRw1mREKVWDof5n3wMs= =tIjp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

   Originally posted by Obbe It has to be what someone thinks the world should be… the world doesn't think it should be one way or another.

   
   The world doesn't think it is one way or another either.
   
   
2. 2018-09-26 at 12:53 AM UTC

   #1922
   DontTellEm Black Hole
   Hopefully, New people will come along & we can show them the light beyond the tunnel.
   
   If they don't kill themselves first! Teeehehehehrehheeh! Oops! Simple faggot.
3. 2018-09-26 at 1:37 AM UTC

   #1923
   

   Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

   Originally posted by Lanny

   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 The world doesn't think it is one way or another either. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJOBAEBCAA4FiEEaplk9V8kovCcp8BrznljHEc+lFoFAluq1r0aHGxhbi5yb2dl cnMuYm9va0BnbWFpbC5jb20ACgkQznljHEc+lFpk9Q//flWZDSzQfPcWjJe5y/CU c4UsKO7ELBoZicklWpWF7wNvoc99g7dW8JJG8blxuSfYCz71Tn5JatqrEWo6w0bi PD3wPohjodoR9j09fk6jHyFL3wt3wPzLeVV/GB47iRHDKNmQeKR3lYhVqz00IEEw Qj5cZWs65Tyt7MJV5mlqCH3Dke3I40TzOFfqjxvOqSKvziXPI7xJ7Nnvr5FO9Yx2 h8Su3yDq5TV+JlzImEkufzD71UIylkNQnDzSwYwz6S91QwkOReEI2zAsNQWU8w7l 9krGn9Ed/iAOsnfv9bVvcZTvziSg7IE7wsR+Aue967lsQkl304GzgPHYRaBbURDU saQTlEyDXSkgppeMUvFs8ip437E0WUpsHSO38R3OrPsOps3v8eIDJDxkVtJKKpHz P4a3TM3FQOZMtC+UgSbuSMvQr0kpeRkwe5jVSdIoqrsK3tY3fQ0/FE8GEq1eyflP HjL1WeXZ03HuHsARzqA/QvSFnAWJPkBk93RgWC/HJsFkRQp2JsmXcV6Z+7eqHuDW l9mNlVppZfBam8945KMr7BNXT0DnsUOF1/srHWjZHXJRy/g29WKUAkG6FjSguVcF GFsrnMl00TKWpdpuUDEXSZz20zY363V1cOpqtfBs6d71/B1JTFG5ASDbymvuOE23 mpjdJRw1mREKVWDof5n3wMs= =tIjp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

   The world doesn't think it is one way or another either.

   
   The truth doesn't need it to. The world is the way it is whether someone is thinking about it or not. The "way the world should be" exists only in imagination.
4. 2018-09-26 at 1:43 AM UTC

   #1924
   

   Lanny Bird of Courage

   Originally posted by Obbe The truth doesn't need it to. The world is the way it is whether someone is thinking about it or not.

   
   I agree, just as the world ought to be as it ought to be (this is literally a tautology), wether someone is thinking about it or not.
5. 2018-09-26 at 2:18 AM UTC

   #1925
   

   vindicktive vinny Black Hole

   Originally posted by Lanny I agree, just as the world ought to be as it ought to be (this is literally a tautology), wether someone is thinking about it or not.

   
   the world ought to change its climate.
6. 2018-09-26 at 4:41 AM UTC

   #1926
   Sevn Yung Blood [confab my linked clunch]

   Originally posted by Lanny —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
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   You sounds really upset that other people don't enjoy sucking dickeating meat as you do.
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   No problem with eating meat, vegetables, or sucking dick. The beef is with OP’s Jehovah’s Witness style of meat shame. You wanna push anti meat, your gonna get a sausage back... pushing down your throat
7. 2018-09-26 at 4:50 AM UTC

   #1927
   

   -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]

   Originally posted by Jim …Life sucks when you have four legs and no fingers. …

   
   If the animal in question has opposable thumbs, that helps.
8. 2018-09-26 at 10:29 AM UTC

   #1928
   

   Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

   Originally posted by Lanny I agree, just as the world ought to be as it ought to be (this is literally a tautology), wether someone is thinking about it or not.

   
   The way the world ought to be is imaginary. Has nothing to do with the way the world is. Therefore has nothing to do with truth.
9. 2018-09-26 at 5:15 PM UTC

   #1929
   

   Lanny Bird of Courage
   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 [quote pk=549412 author="Obbe"] The way the world ought to be is imaginary. [/quote] Yes, you've said that many times now and you're as wrong now as you were when you first said it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJOBAEBCAA4FiEEaplk9V8kovCcp8BrznljHEc+lFoFAlurvsIaHGxhbi5yb2dl cnMuYm9va0BnbWFpbC5jb20ACgkQznljHEc+lFrlDxAAvKbvtHQ7qqjzvz0Be4j8 ucmhJCQRysbpNonbVUu5LYTbNrYuM0Zgux6N3s4kBDuLq4pORhAo3qQhnpShYHWP MNfUAFfPYERu+1Yuzg4orafWAeA4Umm4c3+ZKnZZiAmiIPOOKuyAGx4D35qWAsUg MM6QTz0Z5P1aNtbZMwVf8yZT7f5zMzivvPr0b+4B0o4mbNXqmhQfM9zeGVrOfmGR Ayps0bmhPE4Vwy21P7acY9ixHA8zPjUjHJEXTQ6zxdbwz4PY9blcreOLn2NCYkCs 7fH4I82hcWO0hBRO/fiSv8iSCzoYM3BlpUQRCOHNpTCxXdUdmNB715hHlm816xLE XdRZdAyc9TAv1UtBm8xiN5WkKDFJ2IgiUZ04+99DkUk7oQTUw6z6qEU73Il6Z8ip O0nCrKQnjGF1TP4F+yg6DfZjq/GMatzogPMoLj5HLHxqg5zHWhcJJ92EZ8/Rrjtm llK5Mrneqo1VStkTqMTlR1WFtgWgarEjw+34VTu+xKQabTX/RHj/B8KfoK5DZTPP oBb9sCzAdVQU4dKGbE3a9tsK/KwJZamS+1z/tMAeime8RLq+5g7ErSVPrdHq1byg aHo3aH1ok0W6JsRrkgicQvn0sLZ9cN0oaRD+3O6kMsckde+OrV6hQr2oldEO8yyT PI+si9LsJiYNJrqrzovOEuk= =vzyb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

   Originally posted by Obbe The way the world ought to be is imaginary.

   
   Yes, you've said that many times now and you're as wrong now as you were when you first said it.
   
10. 2018-09-26 at 6:18 PM UTC

    #1930
    

    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

    Originally posted by Lanny

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    Yes, you've said that many times now and you're as wrong now as you were when you first said it.

    
    I would accept that if you had a convincing argument instead of just repeating "actually you're wrong".
11. 2018-09-26 at 6:21 PM UTC

    #1931
    

    RisiR † 29 Autism
    It's hard to convince a mentally deficient.
12. 2018-09-26 at 6:27 PM UTC

    #1932
    

    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

    Originally posted by RisiR † It's hard to convince a mentally deficient.

    
    You live with your mom and contemplate suicide often and never stop complaining about anything.
13. 2018-09-26 at 6:33 PM UTC

    #1933
    

    RisiR † 29 Autism
    No.
14. 2018-09-26 at 8:46 PM UTC

    #1934
    

    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
15. 2018-09-27 at 1:20 AM UTC

    #1935
    

    Lanny Bird of Courage
    -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 [quote pk=549704 author="Obbe"] I would accept that if you had a convincing argument instead of just repeating "actually you're wrong". [/quote] Well there's not much of an argument to be made for a definition of a word, although I've already offered you one which you promptly ignored. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJOBAEBCAA4FiEEaplk9V8kovCcp8BrznljHEc+lFoFAlusMGoaHGxhbi5yb2dl cnMuYm9va0BnbWFpbC5jb20ACgkQznljHEc+lFoOZBAAvH1YI5BEoj5iUsWdXQSV w73kD+cPXuJjpXgiE9zeiOWFDZHoOZ/AUzGrG2NN1PQ8yDeoRK1XSsZKjZQa2gbB eC2q0rOknGx3OJdj5oZfmwhDvqVie7UriGXjS9lykc54L4ialQCq8aSbAWFzONR1 Mwr6y0ksCZdxdu0DvYLGS1+flKgrHq8EXaFsVa0P77UrWThmmbAnAoilKSfEswCZ qwwBkdFvm8Xy0INw9q/a+BcVA7a2Ix2o8s98vvq9TBrazZTZ/jX4Ry4pt+4WDiph xW1PoTSMLBDv2GHtDXxfAoaF+ijM9vVq0Y3216U4xo8qhZHYJFoOGUxnuoXizV5C 9ZedSGSYRwLIZsQuUUmAjkkSm8vMQtvfL0ODi+IzQYPYdqgmxjBho0w1DreB8j3W vuLWEm35NgqI5poCf2vkSMQuosMb29qpODe4AkQngMW+aKidODTfNP/Jv6gUTY3z wjK/ZE98p0prhoW53UhjL5MNc7fwQfkcb6+QAhZOyzkN+q7WhwmPUOusJ12HpZMk MWcytt3R8p4DliUpCHe0GHA7z6G8sfF+fSvCPL8bKSGj1r+GEMcKpTACG2calfLk cYKTfgs/en0rd58qs8TDuT+eaB/X1hdKWD93ZVeLbUZnYvvxWl98JuSNgyHdVJh0 g6p74UrMVpf8tIYe7TwifdU= =7ZLA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

    Originally posted by Obbe I would accept that if you had a convincing argument instead of just repeating "actually you're wrong".

    
    Well there's not much of an argument to be made for a definition of a word, although I've already offered you one which you promptly ignored.
    
16. 2018-09-27 at 10:32 AM UTC

    #1936
    

    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    I haven't ignored you, your definition doesn't make sense. The "way the world ought to be" is the way someone imagines the world should be. It doesn't exist anywhere outside of your imagination. Truth has nothing to do with it because truth is a matter of what is and what isn't, not what someone imagines. You keep repeating that isn't the case but you never explain why. You're just trolling, trying to get this thread to 2000 replies. If "the way the would ought to be" isn't imaginary, where is it?
17. 2018-09-27 at 11:47 AM UTC

    #1937
    

    Speedy Parker Black Hole

    Originally posted by Lanny

    -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I've told you several times now that what I mean by moral facts is not facts about how someone imagines the world should be. So yes, without reason as you're repeatedly saying there is no truth value to something you're defining in such a way as to have no truth value and refusing to address my actual position. That's not my definition of immoral lol, you would know that if you read pretty much any of my posts in this thread. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJOBAEBCAA4FiEEaplk9V8kovCcp8BrznljHEc+lFoFAluqdKMaHGxhbi5yb2dl cnMuYm9va0BnbWFpbC5jb20ACgkQznljHEc+lFrhRg/+Ml1bzpo007Dm5GCTZK/q K8Y2WdXpT9c7Uk7MNZAR3vyMKlRGCKekaJmYMmqsvnZ2VqGgeou+S+F286s+DNP1 /4Slu82ImroxQOMdvw+F0+Cs3x0Rx0mn1nypoy25l/FJo3gTj/PrYXZvH0paUgkb nozRalzlq6epONl7tV6yVVN4yTFaGVF59uIk1MMYbOfxD15T8vBSMQRSLOKqwFXH KpPQ4nIyy+YoDJ1dECcO57OqbH9et6Mdu/y5bo7GuAMrojB7hA2RfCy+oUla4PnU U1t4ByOJxqcKPCgNALtifDEF9tWz0dxpBfCC5nv0xTK2WH6YF/7lw++LBo1RvErx MuqYJw/dtFejxi36KeEOH+uItSLSFhjQhAXEO+ozYttmPlefkGBJQKnr5EerR6VU 42YfTqP3N7sQ0TFcaCacoBrDrnBubeUGh5hyLKa3OLoEQr9igJCyV3voGbwCn6SI gAgZsdbOPRg9ZiDmqT5FNoeIksGmIBU/dhuHjNAZxfMzP5M7XFTsFUdmLbkHNjUW /+JCR9XHIv1btgTcRnzURi0tdy8Jl+a1L46mki6gNUEESTl7n+N+YaHiDUeTpRzW A/7LG3vsmINsd/Y1KFnH2e8+irlcV/buAcmCE513xt8TM8TCjnycTukEAXdOvTen x14Y3heIG+83En2N2WxAGjQ= =AWOj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

    I've told you several times now that what I mean by moral facts is not facts about how someone imagines the world should be. So yes, without reason as you're repeatedly saying there is no truth value to something you're defining in such a way as to have no truth value and refusing to address my actual position.
    
    
    
    That's not my definition of immoral lol, you would know that if you read pretty much any of my posts in this thread.

    
    That's your problem. You make up definitions and then react as if everyone else is wrong and only you know the truth. That's what makes you sad and funny.
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18. 2018-09-27 at 9:18 PM UTC

    #1938
    

    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    His "moral statements" may be logically consistent within the moral framework he has chosen to adhere to, but they are not statements of truth because they are not statements about how the world really is or how it really isn't. Nobody has any obligation to recognize or accept someone's moral framework or their conclusions.
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19. 2018-09-28 at 8:37 AM UTC

    #1939
    

    Lanny Bird of Courage
    -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 [quote pk=550201 author="Obbe"] I haven't ignored you, your definition doesn't make sense. [/quote] What about it doesn't make sense? [quote]The "way the world ought to be" is the way someone imagines the world should be.[/quote] On the contrary, that's not what "the way the world ought to be" is. Even if you think I've picked some strange definition for morality or ought statements (although I think it's really a pretty standard understanding that family of phrases), you're failing to understand what is meant when I speak about how the world ought to be if you think I'm talking about opinions. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJOBAEBCAA4FiEEaplk9V8kovCcp8BrznljHEc+lFoFAlut6FkaHGxhbi5yb2dl cnMuYm9va0BnbWFpbC5jb20ACgkQznljHEc+lFrUahAAuFk0XlIn3dXW9/H8JYTf 8cPnHXdWexUANkMbadNWkec0r85HLCq2CCAI23WlZ/op0oq88X99GDO+Vf5iYY+R mNGLccbv46VwDVVCmUelKErgOfOUiD5TrSkNrVcHn6709Tr8dA669miHeykLdxrt GzlZvMag0wrVsZmjNyEAHT3VemqtsHi7QfAmd6Q8OWP59dyxnuBQlLWpYOOCO7EK uU03pECKM21J43l8clGHWqoO9sV3K7PArWSMks2ejHqyM9rwJ4e9JQoH0rcVu2xQ eeWbJT6JzHZwN+xgwQr9uliPldVgMUoEOUvZheRJIalxRW+XxfU9xywLoMRCK0Xn zDxoHeXKMpIi1qBWs0EoQj8NMuo96kR/AoITSmfiDa0YP+PUHaOz8Y0wNVUO9yfA CHQ01YpPBCiIRaLURTsY2mW7W6YaJ9eaLYzlUV0SFd+dGnbh2ftzM1sO5pOqR18v T0PI1YSuSKAVVqiD3Gd3Ccgl5pAV37KbEWCe55HShx/2807f7o2BQbnGbvYszdMU K1seYT0y7e0A8kSROeos8rAm1G2v8zVj4LdZUCmJ8LfTugWSPruxaiWnHlfH7ZIt Wv4hM/PLuNv+3D3atN0LRw1LXclC/UnQ5eazQjjRQcouGN2Clmn1Gg9ezbwX/U5V 4GctuEmM3B9kDKm98kFl+Vo= =wE/Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

    Originally posted by Obbe I haven't ignored you, your definition doesn't make sense.

    
    What about it doesn't make sense?
    
    

    The "way the world ought to be" is the way someone imagines the world should be.

    
    On the contrary, that's not what "the way the world ought to be" is. Even if you think I've picked some strange definition for morality or ought statements (although I think it's really a pretty standard understanding that family of phrases), you're failing to understand what is meant when I speak about how the world ought to be if you think I'm talking about opinions.
    
20. 2018-09-28 at 8:41 AM UTC

    #1940
    

    Lanny Bird of Courage
    -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 [quote pk=550218 author="Speedy Parker"] That's your problem. You make up definitions and then react as if everyone else is wrong and only you know the truth. That's what makes you sad and funny. [/quote] Hey, do remember that one thread where you tried to say morality and ethics have nothing to do with each other and then I posted multiple major dictionaries what said the opposite of that? So basically we found the closest thing to objective proof of that it's in fact you who's pulling definitions for words out of your ass as suits you? Do you remember the part where that thread is this very thread you're posting in right now? Because I remember that. LMRAO! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJOBAEBCAA4FiEEaplk9V8kovCcp8BrznljHEc+lFoFAlut6TMaHGxhbi5yb2dl cnMuYm9va0BnbWFpbC5jb20ACgkQznljHEc+lFoMkw//SSpzhxaUpkwQIe6U8Hou 4Wy2J9MXn/XH90S2XAYnUVSF7cd6oOTSM4+SIkGnkdoPmMAqAcDVmjuq+jhEH/91 9naNEUHNrUHcL3K5qMP+9Ekp+PfBn5552cdVXi2R5I7GSrQlHONDY3BJIu91XgD9 nc7ZBvplcW+MQeE50j6QX7Udsei01t46sWq807AcmqM+8oBi1P5TY4tEgGssL/r1 mFpkaS7ZhMxqKl3CK1xjAgulbEVOL+lv4UEGHqsXbfqQIlb7k67u/616o3Ndssq1 mZxJtIOSkz5RNQX9MRm7vDCjx7FBvRvhbKh1zAdS2z6DIhKXlUKuwpkwhiOx/RAo S/SGrzq4s9XztJGrV8gapmeYjXWul57mZCrCYla/c0XaXjZ/XJOmuSnSHEvKR9eN eqBzCVtFOSPAsRc8dpuC5ECAKNrng+tmiOdp0ILRxuVpgUDbohxwA3t4Q24qf70j MAFLJ99I4VA1n+satFDAu0kJ6SI+IRqh31wIbIue3xDhlqpdVyy64HTaEvUkKsjB pKzrKmvcbtJx64gOvxmKl5n72FsX4CsXmQgdXvjTRf2uCMDuAJ48Jhp4QH9OSbj/ liCbX3xU1m7m3+f1jCxu2PvvUciMYlfv22Wokc7N7pSwSoELrQGsCQjgUcr4/I4P 3it/JfAX1peAnW+o5qlKtqY= =5dwd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

    Originally posted by Speedy Parker That's your problem. You make up definitions and then react as if everyone else is wrong and only you know the truth. That's what makes you sad and funny.

    
    Hey, do remember that one thread where you tried to say morality and ethics have nothing to do with each other and then I posted multiple major dictionaries what said the opposite of that? So basically we found the closest thing to objective proof of that it's in fact you who's pulling definitions for words out of your ass as suits you?
    
    Do you remember the part where that thread is this very thread you're posting in right now?
    
    Because I remember that.
    
    LMRAO!