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2018-08-03 at 12:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by Xlite Death penalty is based on nothing but assumptions.
People assume that justice have been served because the majority of people view death as the ultimate punishment.
However, people have no clue what death actually is. Setting people free from this world and its torments isn't punishment, its mercy. And odds are you're probably doing the criminal a favor.
Is eye for an eye an outdated concept? Should we keep on giving the justice system the duty of reliving the burden of loss we're experiencing because of criminals, or should we seek the justice ourselves. And if that's the case, then what is considered enough to have closure? Is the point of justice closure? because if it is, then how come its not always working as expected?
Is your idea of justice eye for an eye? Murder for a murder? rape for a rape?
Is justice even viable anymore and who are even qualified to determine which degree of criminal activity results in x amount of years in prison? Certainly not a jury of randomly picked people. A judge? What makes the judge qualified to judge other people, the title? That's just ridiculous.
Imo the justice system, prison system and their rehab programs along with most of the other shit is outdated. You only need to look back a few decades and then look at now, then ask yourself:
If its working then why do we still have criminals? why are we still medieval in our behaviour against certain criminals?
Why can't we seem to look beyond our personal demand for justice?
We've been judging people, we've been killing people, we've been sick and twisted towards people. We've done this forever and we don't seem to have any evidence as to the overall effectiveness of it. On the contrary, we have more people than ever, with more criminals than ever doing more and more fucked up shit, and it will keep on going this way because treating symptoms does not cure people.
Doing the same things over and over again expecting different results each time is a sign of insanity.
The cure is not justice, or to imprison. The cure is to deal with things before they happen.
The problem is, there's simply not focus on this and so it will remain in place like it is till they figure out a better working and more importantly a better earning model.
Man-made "justice" is nothing more than a bandaid "solution". It can't resolve the problems, it can only slow it down. Man has proven time and time again he cannot rule himself successfully. All forms of government have been tried several times over, and all have failed miserably. Only the Creator can truly solve man's problems. And while things play out, until every single person can see for themselves the truth of his own failings, The Creator has appointed the kings of the land and their laws simply for a slowing, so that as many as possible can receive a full witness. -
2018-08-03 at 1:09 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL Man-made "justice" is nothing more than a bandaid "solution". It can't resolve the problems, it can only slow it down. Man has proven time and time again he cannot rule himself successfully. All forms of government have been tried several times over, and all have failed miserably. Only the Creator can truly solve man's problems. And while things play out, until every single person can see for themselves the truth of his own failings, The Creator has appointed the kings of the land and their laws simply for a slowing, so that as many as possible can receive a full witness.
Assuming there is a creator, i believe its safe to assume that it was never its intention to solve our problems. We are perfectly capable of doing that ourselves if certain pre requirements are made. Some people won't lift a finger before its too late. Others have the foresight but not the resources and so we're getting no-where either way. -
2018-08-03 at 6:14 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist because they are the ones that want them out of society. the natural world is what it is, its a dangerous place. if you want to clear it and make it into a safe little haven for pussies then its gonna cost money. you can't expect your house to just clean itself with no effort or cost on your part, it doesn't work like that.
exactly my point.
executing them be much cheaper option.
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2018-08-03 at 6:16 PM UTC
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2018-08-03 at 6:22 PM UTC
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2018-08-03 at 6:27 PM UTC
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2018-08-03 at 6:29 PM UTCi mean whats the point of having a fucked up justice system that instead of giving innocent people the noose ...
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2018-08-03 at 10:06 PM UTC
Originally posted by benny vader i mean whats the point of having a fucked up justice system that instead of giving innocent people the noose …
gives them life imprisonment instead ???
Lolwut? I get the impression that you're assuming somewhat that I in some way advocate the justice system, at least with reference to its use of prison. That isn't actually where I stand at all. I'm just arguing here that the death penalty is wrong, even more wrong than the current corrupt and evil system that uses it in the first place. I don't really believe anything those dirty cunts do is right tbph.
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2018-08-03 at 10:26 PM UTC.
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2018-08-04 at 4:52 AM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist Lolwut? I get the impression that you're assuming somewhat that I in some way advocate the justice system, at least with reference to its use of prison. That isn't actually where I stand at all. I'm just arguing here that the death penalty is wrong, even more wrong than the current corrupt and evil system that uses it in the first place. I don't really believe anything those dirty cunts do is right tbph.
huurrr durrr.
no, i mean if your only opposition to death penalty is becos the flawed justice system keeps sending innocent people to the gallows ...
then isnt it the most logical and rational action is to oppose the corrupted and fatally flawed justice system instead ???
since opposing the death penalties without fixing your flawed justice system would just entails sending innocent people to lifetime incarceration instead of the gallows.
miscarriages of just will still persist despite not resulting in hanging.
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2018-08-04 at 8:54 AM UTC
Originally posted by benny vader huurrr durrr.
no, i mean if your only opposition to death penalty is becos the flawed justice system keeps sending innocent people to the gallows …
then isnt it the most logical and rational action is to oppose the corrupted and fatally flawed justice system instead ???
since opposing the death penalties without fixing your flawed justice system would just entails sending innocent people to lifetime incarceration instead of the gallows.
miscarriages of just will still persist despite not resulting in hanging.
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how fucking stupid are you benny? wake up ffs and read the fred. it isn't my only opposition to it, i already made a big long post about the effects on the family.
here it is again just for you banny
Originally posted by NARCassist first off, if you have faith in the capabilities and integrity of the courts and justice system then you are seriously naive and stupid. history will prove me very very correct on that one.
it always gets me when advocates of the death penalty will use the ordeal of the family to justify the use of the death penalty. i don't even understand when the family themselves claim that only the execution of the offender can put right the hurt and sense of loss they have gone through with the unnecessary killing of their loved one. they more than anybody should understand that executing the offender will put his family through the exact same ordeal as they are experiencing. how on earth could they possibly justify doing that?
especially if the offender has young children. imagine what it would be like as a young child having to witness the unnecessary killing of your parent. that would define your whole childhood as this is not something that is done and dusted within a few weeks or months, it takes many years. by the time the parent is actually executed they will likely be in their mid to late teens. for the rest of that persons life any time they remember their childhood the memory is going to be overshadowed by the execution of the parent. no matter what the offender had done it is still their parent and you cannot expect them to feel for their parent any differently than anybody else does about their own. preventing just this happening alone is enough reason to abolish the death penalty.
its like by executing the offender you are punishing them with death, but at the same time you are punishing their family with something even worse. any victims family that honestly feels that only putting the offenders family through the exact same heartache they've suffered themselves is the only way they can feel amended has no right to be consulted on the matter. its pretty clear that the ordeal has left them bitter and not thinking clearly. victims are generally the worst people to decide the punishment of the offender in most cases. they nearly always go overboard because as well as their outrage they'll also have a sense of revenge driving their decision.
but then at the end of the day, if you can go and tell an offenders 6 year old daughter that you are going to have her daddy executed and explain to her what that means and why you want to do it, and come away from that still thinking the death penalty is the only or best option, then i'll shut up and keep my opinion to myself on the matter.
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2018-08-04 at 9:13 AM UTCI'm against it.
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2018-08-04 at 9:32 AM UTC
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2018-08-04 at 10:15 AM UTCagainst. i used to believe in law&order thought when i was younger but as i have grown older i have realized that the state/ the government is nothing more than strangers looking out for themselves.
there's no good reason to let strangers decide about your life, there is even less reason to give them the power to decide whether someone lives or dies.
on the other hand, paying for child rapists and murderers is something i don't want to do either.
i suggest reforming the prison system so, that prisons have to be completely self sufficient. also, reintroduce forced labor. prisons should farm their own food and sell the leftover workforce to the outside world at a bargain price.
obviously the prison system in America has a lot of other problems, for example being privatized. Trying to fix prisons with reforms like these is like giving dope to a patient. You might cure their pain but the cause remains. prisons must not be private institution, that is the very first requirement.
tl;dr: WAKARIMASEN LOL -
2018-08-04 at 10:27 AM UTC
Originally posted by mso8 i suggest reforming the prison system so, that prisons have to be completely self sufficient. also, reintroduce forced labor. prisons should farm their own food and sell the leftover workforce to the outside world at a bargain price.
That reminds me, why not harvest organs from bad people to help innocent people that need organs replaced through no fault of their own?
Surely even the most bleeding heart liberal will agree that that is a moral good? -
2018-08-04 at 10:36 AM UTC
Originally posted by Cootehill That reminds me, why not harvest organs from bad people to help innocent people that need organs replaced through no fault of their own?
Surely even the most bleeding heart liberal will agree that that is a moral good?
if they die naturally in prison and are healthy, sure. i don't advocate systematic harvesting of organs, it's cruel and unusual punishment.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-08-04 at 10:39 AM UTC
Originally posted by mso8 if they die naturally in prison and are healthy, sure. i don't advocate systematic harvesting of organs, it's cruel and unusual punishment.
No, it works better if the person is still technically alive when the organs are stripped. A good way to achieve that is to change execution methods to just induce brain death, which is more or less legal death. It's not punishment to strip organs from a dead person. -
2018-08-04 at 10:45 AM UTCThen it's just the death penalty with a different purpose. It is cruel and unusual punishment to sentence a person to specifically harvest his organs.
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2018-08-04 at 10:50 AM UTC
Originally posted by mso8 Then it's just the death penalty with a different purpose. It is cruel and unusual punishment to sentence a person to specifically harvest his organs.
But is it not also cruel to leave several people to die or suffer diminished life because you won't make a hard decision about who gets to live and who gets to die? -
2018-08-04 at 11:01 AM UTCNo. Also, "cruel" isn't the same as "cruel and unusual punishment". There is not a single good reason to let strangers play the angel of death when they as humans are incompetent as they are. Are you saying that it is a just thing to specifically create a system around sentencing people with the explicit goal to harvest organs? The lives of a few people hold no weight when compared to a retarded system like that. Get fucked, life is a bitch and then you die, no one should have to pay because you got unlucky.
