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We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-05-07 at 2:10 AM UTC
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2018-05-07 at 3:27 AM UTC
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2018-05-07 at 3:30 AM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe I don't know, isn't all that stuff made up?
I think so, but you offered a justification that makes eating meat a karma-free activity when you express thanks to the animal, which is then considered a sacrifice. If this absolves you of the need to worry about the circumstances of the creature's life and death, why not eat humans? -
2018-05-07 at 3:38 AM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick I think so, but you offered a justification that makes eating meat a karma-free activity when you express thanks to the animal, which is then considered a sacrifice. If this absolves you of the need to worry about the circumstances of the creature's life and death, why not eat humans?
I have no desire to do that. -
2018-05-07 at 3:43 AM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe I have no desire to do that.
Well, suppose that I do want to eat a person. I'd give thanks for their noble sacrifice, and I'd use every part of the carcass so that they won't have died in vain. As long as I keep it quiet that I've done this, I wouldn't suffer at all by your reasoning. Unless you think there are additional criteria I ought to consider, I don't see why this would be any different from eating a tomato from my garden. -
2018-05-07 at 3:51 AM UTC
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2018-05-07 at 3:54 AM UTC
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2018-05-07 at 6:08 AM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick Well, suppose that I do want to eat a person. I'd give thanks for their noble sacrifice, and I'd use every part of the carcass so that they won't have died in vain. As long as I keep it quiet that I've done this, I wouldn't suffer at all by your reasoning. Unless you think there are additional criteria I ought to consider, I don't see why this would be any different from eating a tomato from my garden.
Yeah go ahead, I don't think anyone would care -
2018-05-07 at 3:16 PM UTC
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2018-05-07 at 3:42 PM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick Well, suppose that I do want to eat a person. I'd give thanks for their noble sacrifice, and I'd use every part of the carcass so that they won't have died in vain. As long as I keep it quiet that I've done this, I wouldn't suffer at all by your reasoning. Unless you think there are additional criteria I ought to consider, I don't see why this would be any different from eating a tomato from my garden.
It isn't illegal to eat a tomato from your garden. Anyway, I thought you were more concerned with the suffering of the life you're consuming not the one you are sustaining. I find it hard to believe you would eat a person if you can't even eat a chicken. -
2018-05-07 at 3:57 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe It isn't illegal to eat a tomato from your garden. Anyway, I thought you were more concerned with the suffering of the life you're consuming not the one you are sustaining. I find it hard to believe you would eat a person if you can't even eat a chicken.
I'm not asking where suffering fits into my model of ethics, I'm pointing out that yours doesn't consider it at all. -
2018-05-07 at 4:01 PM UTCNot to mention your defense against cannibalism is that it's illegal. If you can't establish a justification for eating animals rather than humans other than humans have legislation protecting them, you aren't really providing a stellar argument for speciesism.
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2018-05-07 at 5:54 PM UTCI didn't say anything about ethics. My argument does consider suffering, it considers the suffering of all life forms. You can eat people if you want, just know that every action has consequences.
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2018-05-07 at 6:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick Not to mention your defense against cannibalism is that it's illegal. If you can't establish a justification for eating animals rather than humans other than humans have legislation protecting them, you aren't really providing a stellar argument for speciesism.
post details of every item of food, drink, and supplementation youve consumed in the last week -
2018-05-07 at 6:49 PM UTC
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2018-05-07 at 6:52 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe I didn't say anything about ethics. My argument does consider suffering, it considers the suffering of all life forms. You can eat people if you want, just know that every action has consequences.
It really doesn't:[Acknowledging their sacrifice] makes eating any life form (plant or animal) a karma-less act.
Suffering doesn't factor into that equation. You mentioned that plants might potentially suffer (without offering evidence) but you quickly abandoned this by saying that it doesn't matter what life we eat. Whichever you really think it is, it's immaterial to your position once you "thank" them for their "sacrifice". That's a nice ritual but practically speaking, it's meaningless. We need real advocacy for real organisms, not killing and gratitude. If you think plants are morally complex and you care about their suffering, I would urge you to stop eating them. If you'd rather say "thank you" and call it square, they conveniently won't be around to disagree.
Originally posted by infinityshock post details of every item of food, drink, and supplementation youve consumed in the last week
Why the hell would I do that? At worst, I could incriminate myself on charges of murder and cannibalism. At best, you're going to post another picture of a dog defecating. -
2018-05-07 at 6:53 PM UTC
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2018-05-07 at 6:54 PM UTC
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2018-05-07 at 6:54 PM UTCIf I was rich I'd be eating tenderloin for breakfast and supper. 😍
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2018-05-07 at 7 PM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick It really doesn't:
Suffering doesn't factor into that equation. You mentioned that plants might potentially suffer (without offering evidence) but you quickly abandoned this by saying that it doesn't matter what life we eat. Whichever you really think it is, it's immaterial to your position once you "thank" them for their "sacrifice". That's a nice ritual but practically speaking, it's meaningless. We need real advocacy for real organisms, not killing and gratitude. If you think plants are morally complex and you care about their suffering, I would urge you to stop eating them. If you'd rather say "thank you" and call it square, they conveniently won't be around to disagree.
What's your point? Choosing to not eat meat is a nice ritual but ultimately it is meaningless. Some people prefer to eat meat, some people prefer not to eat meat, either way it doesn't really matter.
