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2018-03-11 at 8:37 AM UTCI value meth and red bone butts. Realist thing posted in this thread. You're welcome.
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2018-03-11 at 8:43 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Yes but the Universe is a closed system. The overall entropy has a tendency to increase over time.
Sure, on the universal scale entropy increases. But the region of space accessible to humans is not a closed system, and there is no general principle that says entropy must monotonically increase in that region. In fact we observe the opposite, entropy often decreases around us. So any argument that the second law explains why consumer goods degrade in human timescales fails, the second law does not apply to consumer goods on human timescales. -
2018-03-11 at 9:10 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Sure, on the universal scale entropy increases. But the region of space accessible to humans is not a closed system, and there is no general principle that says entropy must monotonically increase in that region. In fact we observe the opposite, entropy often decreases around us. So any argument that the second law explains why consumer goods degrade in human timescales fails, the second law does not apply to consumer goods on human timescales.
Sure it does - consumer goods are functional in very few states. There are infinitely more numerous states that exist in which consumer goods are nonfunctional. And over time, the probabilty of any given consumer good occupying one of those infinitely greater number of nonfunctioning states increases.
That may not be entropy in the sense that a physicist uses it, but it's certainly the metaphor they use to explain it to laypeople. -
2018-03-11 at 9:14 AM UTCYes but HTS, complex and intelligent life is in direct opposition of entropy. A human being is an orderly and extremely complex state of matter.
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2018-03-11 at 10:15 AM UTC
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2018-03-11 at 6:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Yes but HTS, complex and intelligent life is in direct opposition of entropy. A human being is an orderly and extremely complex state of matter.
That's like saying a tall building shows that gravity can be defeated.
Human beings need large inputs of energy in order to live. And for 95% of them pretty much all they do well is turn perfectly good food into shit.
In other words in order to maintain their low entropy state humans create massive amounts of entropy. -
2018-03-11 at 7:28 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Sure, on the universal scale entropy increases. But the region of space accessible to humans is not a closed system, and there is no general principle that says entropy must monotonically increase in that region. In fact we observe the opposite, entropy often decreases around us. So any argument that the second law explains why consumer goods degrade in human timescales fails, the second law does not apply to consumer goods on human timescales.
you dont understand the meaning of half the words you use -
2018-03-11 at 7:29 PM UTC
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2018-03-11 at 7:30 PM UTC
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2018-03-11 at 8:06 PM UTCITT: Lanny schools people who failed grade school level science.
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2018-03-11 at 8:21 PM UTC
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2018-03-11 at 11:43 PM UTC