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Is this logic sound? Looking for a critique.
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2018-03-08 at 10:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock without the slightest metaphor of some sort, i will literally plow your asshole like a medieval serf on the very edge of starvation, then empty so much of my seed into you that there will be cum-junkies harvesting you for the next fifty years.
you dont try to feebly recite to me what you think the definition of masculinity is, faggot, i tell you, escpecially considering you dont have the slightest clue what masculinity consists of when you have some nigger cock-stuffing your tonsils. to emphasize your learnin' experience youll have my dick crammed up your asshole so deep your gag reflex kicks in.
so planting flowers is a masculine trait now ???
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2018-03-08 at 10:52 PM UTCPlanting and doing heavy fucking lifting of tree saplings and planting flowering perenials isn't a femmine thing at all.
it's heavy and dirty work. it's probably more physical labor than mixing and pouring cement all day.
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2018-03-08 at 10:55 PM UTC
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2018-03-08 at 11 PM UTCPeople don't care about anything besides what they are told to care about. The 17 or however many dead kids only matter as they can be used as a weapon against the goyim.
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2018-03-08 at 11:02 PM UTC
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2018-03-09 at 1:04 AM UTC
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2018-03-09 at 2:12 AM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic So a school gets shot up and 17 kids get killed and everybody mourns and cries and puts the killer in prison forever. Good, he deserves it. 99.9999% of people probably agree with this. But is it not hypocritical that we condemn this sort of senseless violence, but then turn right around and indulge in our smart phones and electronics that were made by kids in China at a factory where working conditions are so shitty that they had to install suicide nets on their building, from materials that were mined by kids in Africa who work in extremely shitty conditions for 8 cents a day, without a second thought on the matter? Are people's morals sold out that easily, that we look the other way when it comes to some serious human rights violations and people dying, just for the sake of a little extra convenience? It seems to me like people don't really have morals, it's all just senseless virtue signalling.
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2018-03-09 at 2:33 AM UTC
Originally posted by Jeremus To answer the OP, both cases are immoral but one is less immoral due too your ability to affect the situation. I have a similar argument for veganism.
Basically, if you got a Fairphone 2 (or ate a vegan meal) instead of whatever you're using (or meat), I don't think anything would really change (except for maybe Fairphone, which is a small company). At that point, I think you're doing something that it would be better not to do on a moral level, but choosing not to do it is really an inconsequential demonstration of your commitment to your ideology.
I don't know how familiar you are with Islamic theology but there are roughly related concepts called "savaab" and "gunaah". It's basically like some unit of currency that's a store of virtue/reward and sin/punishment, although these ideas are not well defined (ultimately it goes to the Egyptian idea that your sins will be weighed against your virtues). I view my morality in somewhat similar terms, like "points", and I think small direct virtues, such as giving money to Righty (my local homeless veteran who had his left limbs blown off in Korea), will more than clear my conscience.
There's an argument I've often heard levied against Christian morality which I believe may also apply here: if your charity is intended to clear your conscience and improve your chances of salvation, you're not doing charity, you're paying for a service. What's more is that you don't know the full value of all your sins or in what manner they will be weighed against your virtues; in this sense, it can even be said that you're gambling with your soul. How is charity still virtuous if performed with self-serving intentions? -
2018-03-09 at 3:35 AM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick There's an argument I've often heard levied against Christian morality which I believe may also apply here: if your charity is intended to clear your conscience and improve your chances of salvation, you're not doing charity, you're paying for a service. What's more is that you don't know the full value of all your sins or in what manner they will be weighed against your virtues; in this sense, it can even be said that you're gambling with your soul. How is charity still virtuous if performed with self-serving intentions?
I don't know own, clearing my conscience is never the intention, it's not a "bank balance" of good and evil, but I do good things too and at the end of the day, I can say I'm not a bad person. I haven't done anything too bad, and I've done a few good things.
Let's say that big sins are like having your credit rating trashed: it's gonna take a lot of redemption to get back, and if I ever did something awful (and maybe I have), I don't think I could ever be pure again. I would consider myself a lost and broken person, like a bank turning down a guy with a shit credit record. -
2018-03-09 at 3:50 AM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick I agree with your critique for the most part, but for the sake of argument, you may want to consider it from the perspective of a nation of beneficiaries. The murdering of 17 high school students is not useful at all, and so we call it despicable; while millions of Chinese adolescents working their little fingers to the bone to provide the West with technological instruments is very useful, and because we're clearly getting the better end of this so that we don't ever have to see them, we feel minimal obligation to pay attention to their working conditions.
If all those Chinese kids were to jump from their buildings at once, however, it would be a global catastrophe that would force us to reassess our dependency on foreign labor. But, since it's more of a suicide trickle we consider the occasional leap to be the cost of doing business. Likewise, 17 kids shot at once is a tragedy, whereas individual teenagers dying hardly makes the news in most cities.
So whether we're sad about the deaths of teenagers is determined by how useful they were to us and/or whether we're able to avoid acknowledging their sacrifices, and how sad it makes us depends largely on the size of the death cluster.
yeah, just as long as we don't kill animals eh zanick? the kids can go fuck off.
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2018-03-09 at 9:43 PM UTCTbh I usually feel much worse for (most) animals suffering than humans
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2018-03-09 at 9:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist yeah, just as long as we don't kill animals eh zanick? the kids can go fuck off.
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Children are worse than animals. At least animals die in 20 years and are fine, no harm no foul. A child can live to be an annoyance till they're a hundred and twenty. And they are basically just an ecological Trainwreck their entire life. To hell with the children, I would be fine if everyone was just disallowed to have more than 1 kid and just kept pets instead. -
2018-03-09 at 9:48 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jeremus Children are worse than animals. At least animals die in 20 years and are fine, no harm no foul. A child can live to be an annoyance till they're a hundred and twenty. And they are basically just an ecological Trainwreck their entire life. To hell with the children, I would be fine if everyone was just disallowed to have more than 1 kid and just kept pets instead.
your father should have kept fucking his favorite goat instead of going for the diversity of sexual partners and nailing your mom. -
2018-03-10 at 12:24 AM UTC
Originally posted by Jeremus I don't know own, clearing my conscience is never the intention, it's not a "bank balance" of good and evil, but I do good things too and at the end of the day, I can say I'm not a bad person. I haven't done anything too bad, and I've done a few good things.
Let's say that big sins are like having your credit rating trashed: it's gonna take a lot of redemption to get back, and if I ever did something awful (and maybe I have), I don't think I could ever be pure again. I would consider myself a lost and broken person, like a bank turning down a guy with a shit credit record.
Fair enough. I still take issue with the transactional model of charity presented by some Muslims I've spoken with about the subject, but I really don't think that charity in Islam is a bad thing. There are far worse crimes committed under the guise of generosity than selfish wishes of spiritual wealth.
Originally posted by NARCassist yeah, just as long as we don't kill animals eh zanick? the kids can go fuck off.
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Not at all. My intention is not to make you care less about the kids, it's to expose a possible issue with how the OP has framed the issues at hand. -
2018-03-10 at 12:44 AM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic So a school gets shot up and 17 kids get killed and everybody mourns and cries and puts the killer in prison forever. Good, he deserves it. 99.9999% of people probably agree with this. But is it not hypocritical that we condemn this sort of senseless violence, but then turn right around and indulge in our smart phones and electronics that were made by kids in China at a factory where working conditions are so shitty that they had to install suicide nets on their building, from materials that were mined by kids in Africa who work in extremely shitty conditions for 8 cents a day, without a second thought on the matter? Are people's morals sold out that easily, that we look the other way when it comes to some serious human rights violations and people dying, just for the sake of a little extra convenience? It seems to me like people don't really have morals, it's all just senseless virtue signalling.
You have to understand that morality is in large part just a conscious abstraction of an accretion of evolved behavioural instincts that helped us survive particular environments throughout human history. A bunch of kids from your tribe getting mowed down represents a greater threat to the survival of you and your lineage, and revs up the ol' liserd brain a lot faster than the problems facing another genetically, culturally and geographically distinct population. -
2018-03-10 at 12:47 AM UTCliserd
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