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For realz, how the fuck do creatures like this exist?
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2018-02-25 at 10:20 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist obviously you've completely misunderstood how natural selection works. if anything the fact that insect looks so much like a leaf actually supports the theory of natural selection. here's how it works.
once upon a time there were a few weird insect thingy's. one day two of the weird insect thingy's were taking the piss out of the other one, saying that he slightly resembled a leaf. the weird insect thingy's were both laughing and pointing and making him feel a bit silly, when out of no where a bird swooped down and gobbled up the two laughing weird insect thingy's before they even had chance to stop laughing. that was lucky thought the slightly leaf looking weird insect thingy and then he went of and fucked some of the female weird insect looking thingy's. the females got pregnant and gave birth to his little weird insect thingy's and just like their father they all slightly resembled leaves. one day when the daddy weird insect thingy had long passed, his son's who all slightly resembled leaves to differing degrees, were all ganging up on their brother who just so happened to resemble a leaf just a little more than they did. they were all laughing and making him feel left out for not looking slightly less like a leaf. when out of nowhere a chameleon's tongue swooped in and gobbled up all his not quite so leaf looking brothers. that was close, the more leafy looking one thought, and off he went to fuck all the females. now all those females gave birth to little weird insect thingy's, and just like their dad they all slightly more resembled leaves to differing degrees. one day all the weird insect thingy's were all ganging up on the one weird insect thingy that looked more like a leaf than the rest of them. they were laughing at how much he resembled a leaf when out of nowhere….
well, i'm sure you can see where this story is going now for the next 3 million years.
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Yep, God uses some pretty nifty methods. *sips beer*The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-02-25 at 10:21 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL Well, of course it's not false. Creation has a single premise: that an intelligent being designed and created the whole rigmarole. Evolution depends on literally thousands, if not millions, of different premises, all of which would have to be correct to produce the desired outcome.
First, creationism answers no questions: it simply transplants those questions into a special pleading logical fallacy, i.e. god.
Secondly, good teams all of those assumptions on, so you're simply asking one assumption, not removing any. -
2018-02-25 at 10:23 PM UTC
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2018-02-25 at 10:28 PM UTCGod is the only one like himself. All the rest are his creations. We call them angels and demons, but they are really aliens - intelligent beings, possessing millions of years worth of technology. They have ships and everything. Time ships, compromised of both organic and inorganic materials. Their ships can morph into anything at will, any shape, disappear entirely, phase through multiple dimensions, travel great distances in the blink of an eye. The bad aliens have been marooned here since 1914, when they were thrown out of God's government, which is a real government, similar to human government, but 100% efficient and just and fair. This whole thing we are living now is a test, a court case, if you will, with the defendants on one side, and God's court officials on the other. And now, the case is being brought to a conclusion, all evidence having been seen and heard. Time is up for Satan and his henchmen. Get out now, while there's still a sliver of a chance left.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-02-25 at 10:52 PM UTC
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2018-02-25 at 11:04 PM UTCAnd how the good aliens are going to right things after the bad aliens and their entire organization are legally condemned and sentenced to their dooms is a real mind-blower. They are going to go back in time and retrieve every good single person who has died, at a point in their lives where they were in their prime, and/or at a point in their lives where it is appropriate to the master plan. Every single good person who died as a result of Satan's misdeeds will be returning, just as they were. Every hair on their heads have been counted. Not a clone. Not a copy. The real thing. Just "pulled" right out of thin air, but the air in this case is time itself. In a way, it will be as if they never had really died at all. Everything set back to right. The scales of justice re-balanced perfectly. Then the original plan continues, interrupted momentarily, but inexorably unfolding all the same. No one can stop this being. No one has the ability. No one has the knowledge.
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2018-02-25 at 11:17 PM UTC
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2018-02-25 at 11:20 PM UTCDiseases and deformities are a result of the corruption the alien Satan has brought into the world. These things won't exist once things are set straight. It's terrible to watch, and have to suffer through, but its only temporary.
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2018-02-25 at 11:21 PM UTC
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2018-02-25 at 11:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL Diseases and deformities are a result of the corruption the alien Satan has brought into the world. These things won't exist once things are set straight. It's terrible to watch, and have to suffer through, but its only temporary.
Serious question. What is your take on serious hardcore drug addiction? -
2018-02-25 at 11:53 PM UTC
Originally posted by RestStop Serious question. What is your take on serious hardcore drug addiction?
Man should never judge another man. It's all about heart condition, circumstances, it's all about what kind of stand you decide to take, whether on drugs or not. Each situation is as unique as a snow flake, or a set of finger prints, or the apple of your eye. -
2018-02-26 at 12:02 AM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL Well, of course it's not false. Creation has a single premise: that an intelligent being designed and created the whole rigmarole.
You misunderstand occam's razor entirely (although to be fair I think most people who use the term don't know what it actually is). It's not "count up theory 1's assumptions and then count theory 2's assumptions and the lower number wins". If that were the case I could say "Lanny holds the highest office in the US government, the highest office in the US government is the presidency, QED Lanny is the president" and this line of reasoning contains exactly one assumption. It does not, however, find justification under occam's razor.Evolution depends on literally thousands, if not millions, of different premises, all of which would have to be correct to produce the desired outcome.
Evolution depends on exactly zero premises in the standard scientific framework. We can observe evolution in lifeforms in human scales of time. Antibiotic resistance is a form a evolution. We can induce evolution in many simple life forms and observe it happening. Occam's razor has nothing to say about simple observations, it deals in explanations.
Now if you want to talk about evolution from a common ancestor as a candidate explanation for observable biological speciation then we do need some assumptions, like that a process that's observable in life today was historically in force and that homology signals common ancestry (this is really the point you should be attacking but your scientific literacy is too poor to allow you to). In any case, while there may be numerically a few (a few, not thousands or millions) more assumptions involved the total "assumptiveness" of them is quite a bit less than your begging the question on an intelligent creator
P.S. The only reason I'm responding to you is I took an adderall and am now compelled to engage in internet debates with idiots, even though I know the exact and total futility of the activity. -
2018-02-26 at 12:13 AM UTCWe are all the product of a vast array of complex mathematical equations that are continually being played out.
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2018-02-26 at 12:14 AM UTCWe're all products of God's divine will.
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2018-02-26 at 12:15 AM UTC
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2018-02-26 at 12:25 AM UTC
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2018-02-26 at 12:27 AM UTC
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2018-02-26 at 12:33 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny You misunderstand occam's razor entirely (although to be fair I think most people who use the term don't know what it actually is). It's not "count up theory 1's assumptions and then count theory 2's assumptions and the lower number wins". If that were the case I could say "Lanny holds the highest office in the US government, the highest office in the US government is the presidency, QED Lanny is the president" and this line of reasoning contains exactly one assumption. It does not, however, find justification under occam's razor.
Evolution depends on exactly zero premises in the standard scientific framework. We can observe evolution in lifeforms in human scales of time. Antibiotic resistance is a form a evolution. We can induce evolution in many simple life forms and observe it happening. Occam's razor has nothing to say about simple observations, it deals in explanations.
Now if you want to talk about evolution from a common ancestor as a candidate explanation for observable biological speciation then we do need some assumptions, like that a process that's observable in life today was historically in force and that homology signals common ancestry (this is really the point you should be attacking but your scientific literacy is to poor too allow you to). In any case, while there may be numerically a few (a few, not thousands or millions) more assumptions involved the total "assumptiveness" of them is quite a bit less than your begging the question on an intelligent creator
P.S. The only reason I'm responding to you is I took an adderall and am now compelled to engage in internet debates with idiots, even though I know the exact and total futility of the activity.
same with herbicide-resistant plants and insecticide resistant bugs -
2018-02-26 at 1:28 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice We are all the product of a vast array of complex mathematical equations that are continually being played out.
There's a famous/infamous/controversial "paper" by Tegmark you might be interested in:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/0709.4024.pdf
I think he's written at greater length elsewhere but that's the one people know. I think he's wrong but it's decent argument none the less.
Originally posted by -SpectraL
I've humbled you so profoundly that the only recourse left to you is to pick at spelling mistakes. -
2018-02-26 at 1:47 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny I've humbled you so profoundly that the only recourse left to you is to pick at spelling mistakes.
Nooo, I fixed the spelling mistakes strictly out of convenience, since I was right there in the quote. I was drawing attention, rather, to your... errr.. style... of debate. To demean, diminish, denature and denigrate.
