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Do You Value Things?
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2018-02-04 at 11:25 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Given your response to Lanny that is demonstrably untrue.
There is no logic to his statement. Words like “belief”, “meaning”, and “tolerable” are subjective. Peppering in some words like “empirical” doesn’t change that.
Logically, nothing we do in life matters on a cosmic scale and ultimately everything we know of now will be destroyed one day. So how we choose to live our ephemeral, insignificant lives makes literally no difference. -
2018-02-04 at 12:04 PM UTClol thread title versus OP's opening statement, totally different things. Hahaha. That said, yes, I value things.
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2018-02-04 at 5:53 PM UTC
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2018-02-04 at 5:57 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Also i am not saying you should kill yourself but why are you afraid of death? It will be like before you were born and in a blink of an eye a trillion trillion years will have passed, and you wouldn't even notice.
becos lives and deaths are not always digital.
sometimes people get caught inbetween being half alive and 2 quarters dead and there be hell to pay. -
2018-02-04 at 5:58 PM UTC
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2018-02-04 at 6:01 PM UTCI missed out on this thread.
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2018-02-04 at 6:07 PM UTCSadly most of my material possessions are worth infinitely more than the people in my life.
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2018-02-04 at 6:15 PM UTCI value burgers and Asian people. Also things to some extent, like black people.
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2018-02-04 at 6:24 PM UTC
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2018-02-04 at 8:42 PM UTCThia thread went weird.
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2018-02-04 at 8:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Paws There is no logic to his statement. Words like “belief”, “meaning”, and “tolerable” are subjective. Peppering in some words like “empirical” doesn’t change that.
How are those words subjective? You either believe something or you don't, that's not subjective at all, there's a clear fact to the matter. Some people believe that the limit of meaning is the subjective but probably the most common position is that meaning is at least partially universal or at least transpersonal. Like if multiple people read a book their impressions may differ but at least the literal meaning contained in the book is the same for all readers.
Whether or not a thing is tolerable is pretty subjective but so what? The tolerability of spending your life in jail is a subjective judgement but your judgement and whether or not that outcome happens both seem pretty damn important, despite their subjectivity.Logically, nothing we do in life matters on a cosmic scale and ultimately everything we know of now will be destroyed one day. So how we choose to live our ephemeral, insignificant lives makes literally no difference.
See, you say "logically" here but I don't think you actually mean it. Can you show me the logical proof that generates the theorem "nothing we do in life matters"?
I think what you really mean here is "I haven't found a convincing demonstration that what we do in life matters", which like if you think about that for a few seconds I think you'll realize there are some logical issues there. -
2018-02-04 at 8:50 PM UTC
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2018-02-05 at 3:04 AM UTCthe universe goes on with or without you.
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2018-02-05 at 3:11 AM UTCYes!
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2018-02-05 at 4:02 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny How are those words subjective? You either believe something or you don't, that's not subjective at all, there's a clear fact to the matter. Some people believe that the limit of meaning is the subjective but probably the most common position is that meaning is at least partially universal or at least transpersonal. Like if multiple people read a book their impressions may differ but at least the literal meaning contained in the book is the same for all readers.
Whether or not a thing is tolerable is pretty subjective but so what? The tolerability of spending your life in jail is a subjective judgement but your judgement and whether or not that outcome happens both seem pretty damn important, despite their subjectivity.
See, you say "logically" here but I don't think you actually mean it. Can you show me the logical proof that generates the theorem "nothing we do in life matters"?
I think what you really mean here is "I haven't found a convincing demonstration that what we do in life matters", which like if you think about that for a few seconds I think you'll realize there are some logical issues there.
Ok so let me ask you this. What would you define as a worthwhile, “meaningful” life? And then I’ll tell you all the reasons why you’re wrong. -
2018-02-05 at 7:38 AM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Paws Ok so let me ask you this. What would you define as a worthwhile, “meaningful” life? And then I’ll tell you all the reasons why you’re wrong.
So you're convinced that no answer I could give you would satisfy the criteria you've laid out. In science (not logic, I hope you appreciate the difference) this is what we call an unfalsifiable hypothesis and these are generally considered invalid, at least within the scientific domain.
But I'd further like to point out that you seem to have missed my point. If you think you actually have a logical justification for the thesis "no life is meaningful" then you should be able to present it. Refuting any particular origin of meaning in life doesn't amount a justification of this categorical denial. -
2018-02-05 at 7:46 AM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Paws Logically, nothing we do in life matters on a cosmic scale and ultimately everything we know of now will be destroyed one day.
On a cosmic scale you could fart, bacteria in your fart expulsion could form a colony on your chair, a meteor could hit, and those bacteria could be launched into space and seed life on another planet that evolves into a species that transcends time and space.
Logic applied on a cosmic scale is fucking chaos, and you're bullshitting if you think you can see through the chaos to determine nothing is meaningful.
PS: on a small and abstract enough scale everything you see today will survive until the universe ends. -
2018-02-05 at 8:06 AM UTCYou niggaz are impossible.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-02-05 at 3:21 PM UTC
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2018-02-05 at 3:40 PM UTCEverything is corroding. Everything is decaying. Everything is wearing away.
That might sound nuts and paranoid, but it's true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrosion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics
Getting attached to a thing seems silly. Everything I own right now will be lying in a landfill in 50 years.
