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  1. #61
    bling bling Dark Matter
    n shank him up if he still wonts sum
  2. #62
    infinityshock Black Hole
    Originally posted by D4NG0 True. I figured it would be a good starting point though.

    Have you done it before? Any advice?

    on 80% lowers or self-poured mold lowers?
  3. #63
    Get a FN FiveseveN.
  4. #64
    HTS highlight reel
    Glocks. Not the best of the best, but reliable, modular, and they sell 'em/have parts, holsters, and other accessories pretty much everywhere. Won't break you financially either.

    Can't go wrong with a Glock. Unless it blows up in your hand.
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  5. #65
    infinityshock Black Hole
    Originally posted by ZambianIntelligenceAgency Get a FN FiveseveN.

    no. the caliber is junk for anything larger than a squirrel.

    and ill head off you anticipated retort referencing the mudslime terrorist who used one by saying...it is still a junk caliber
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  6. #66
    D4NG0 motherfucker
    Originally posted by infinityshock on 80% lowers or self-poured mold lowers?

    Yes.
  7. #67
    infinityshock Black Hole
    Originally posted by D4NG0 Yes.

    that was a multiple choice question...not a true or false.
  8. #68
    D4NG0 motherfucker
    Originally posted by infinityshock that was a multiple choice question…not a true or false.

    I know. And that's a way of saying 'either' or 'both'.
  9. #69
    infinityshock Black Hole
    i thought about writing a post on it awhile ago when i was doing it regularly but now i cant be arsed. in a nutshell...

    the epoxy/self pour ones...expect to do a few as practice...and prepare yourself to break/chip/bend/fuckup the first few before you actually get one that works and looks good. have a good/accurate thermometer since the temperature is the most important part of the process. dont mix too much or too fast/quickly or youll add bubbles that never come out. i was experimenting with a high-frequency vibrator for the molds but the couple that i did came out the same with or without the vibrator as when i just tapped the mold with a hammer.

    the 80% metal ones...use decent bits when milling. that shit from harbor freight wont do it. if all you have is a hand-drill to do the cutting and not a mill...dont waste your time. just buy a 100% lower. make sure you have machinist-grade measuring tools that can make precise markings for precise cutting.

    i have seen an 80% lower that was made into a rifle using a hand-drill...by someone who knew absolutely nothing about gunsmithing...and it actually fired...but it was a fucking abortion and an embarrassment to gunsmiths/armorers everywhere.

    those are the main points that i can remember.
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  10. #70
    Originally posted by infinityshock no. the caliber is junk for anything larger than a squirrel.

    and ill head off you anticipated retort referencing the mudslime terrorist who used one by saying…it is still a junk caliber

    It can penetrate body armor. How is that a junk caliber?
  11. #71
    HTS highlight reel
    Originally posted by ZambianIntelligenceAgency It can penetrate body armor. How is that a junk caliber?

    Because that is its niche and it does that well. Getting through body armor is > lethality than not. But for any soft target with no armor, being really good at penetration isn't super helpful - you want something that creates big wounds, not tiny holes.

    And let's be honest - most people aren't shooting through kevlar. So yeah, "junk round" for civilians.
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  12. #72
    Originally posted by ZambianIntelligenceAgency It can penetrate body armor. How is that a junk caliber?

    Penetrating body armor is useless when the bullet only makes a 5.7mm hole in its target

    And just about any caliber can penetrate body armor if the projectile is sufficiently hardened
  13. #73
    ^ and

    Originally posted by HTS Because that is its niche and it does that well. Getting through body armor is > lethality than not. But for any soft target with no armor, being really good at penetration isn't super helpful - you want something that creates big wounds, not tiny holes.

    And let's be honest - most people aren't shooting through kevlar. So yeah, "junk round" for civilians.

    This is actually a pretty good reason so i will concede my point.
  14. #74
    Originally posted by bling bling stfu mans cud just run up n bust 76 shots then take mans glock

    Are you my friend, BB. are you one of the good guys?
  15. #75
    Speedy Parker Black Hole [my absentmindedly lachrymatory gazania]
    .357 Ruger revolver. If you need more than 6 rounds you're doing it all wrong.
  16. #76
    benny vader YELLOW GHOST
    Originally posted by HTS Can't go wrong with a Glock. Unless it blows up in your hand.

    Glock.

    For people who dont like having a cock.
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  17. #77
    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    Originally posted by HTS Because that is its niche and it does that well. Getting through body armor is > lethality than not. But for any soft target with no armor, being really good at penetration isn't super helpful - you want something that creates big wounds, not tiny holes.

    And let's be honest - most people aren't shooting through kevlar. So yeah, "junk round" for civilians.

    besides, the standard round isn't armor piercing; the AP rounds aren't available to civilians
  18. #78
    Originally posted by aldra besides, the standard round isn't armor piercing; the AP rounds aren't available to civilians

    Are you sure? I was under the influence that the 5-7 was a fairly specific round and that was the reason it had the heaft so to speak that it would take down kevlar. Dont mean to be that guy but sauce?

    Alternative to my primary suggestions I would say chezch out the Jericho 941. It is availible in various cartridges. See if something like that spikes your fancy.
  19. #79
    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    Originally posted by ZambianIntelligenceAgency Are you sure? I was under the influence that the 5-7 was a fairly specific round and that was the reason it had the heaft so to speak that it would take down kevlar. Dont mean to be that guy but sauce?

    Alternative to my primary suggestions I would say chezch out the Jericho 941. It is availible in various cartridges. See if something like that spikes your fancy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_5.7%C3%9728mm#Cartridge_types

    cartridge types

    https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/open-letter/national-jan2005-open-letter-fabrique-nationale-fr-57-pistol/download

    ATF release on legality of the AP kinds, specifically the SS190 is NOT ALLOW

    I have seen black-tip ammo marked SS190-BALL for sale on ebay-type sites, so I'm not sure if there's a difference between SS190-DUTY and SS190-BALL
  20. #80
    Originally posted by aldra I have seen black-tip ammo marked SS190-BALL for sale on ebay-type sites, so I'm not sure if there's a difference between SS190-DUTY and SS190-BALL

    So basically its available for civilians but you just have to seek it?
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