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I denied God today.
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2018-01-01 at 2:17 AM UTCClaiming you know anything 100% without any empirical evidence is pretty fucking stupid. My favorite people are the ones who base their beliefs on feelings instead of perceived facts. Those are the ones who think logically, no matter which way it swings. Can't argue with feelings. You can't argue too much with evidence either, but there's none of that around. And yes, you do actually have to disprove God to know he isn't real. Impossible because he doesn't exist? Tough fucking luck. You still have to base KNOWLEDGE on FACTS, you can base BELIEFS on whatever you want.
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2018-01-01 at 3:09 AM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 Bullshit. They don't, as you don't have the social reinforcement, but those aren't even compatible philosophies. Atheism implies rejection of organised religion and organised belief in God, Nihilism it's it's edgy Russian cousin and denies belief in belief itself. In other words you're basically depressed, and pass depression off as a belief system. Nihilism is how jedis would deal with SAD during the long Russian winter. Anything is better than that, Scientology, Narcissism, whatever.
I thought Russian nihilism was political nihilism, instead of anarchists or SDs or commies they didn't have any political program in mind they just wanted to tear down czarism. -
2018-01-01 at 4:12 AM UTC
Originally posted by 哈哈你看不懂中文 Claiming you know anything 100% without any empirical evidence is pretty fucking stupid. My favorite people are the ones who base their beliefs on feelings instead of perceived facts. Those are the ones who think logically, no matter which way it swings. Can't argue with feelings. You can't argue too much with evidence either, but there's none of that around. And yes, you do actually have to disprove God to know he isn't real. Impossible because he doesn't exist? Tough fucking luck. You still have to base KNOWLEDGE on FACTS, you can base BELIEFS on whatever you want.
Yeah, I think most religious people are guilty of feelings over facts at some point or another. If you do adopt a belief system, it's important to put some actual research into it. Blind faith fucking sucks. -
2018-01-01 at 5:21 AM UTC
Originally posted by D4NG0 Yeah, I think most religious people are guilty of feelings over facts at some point or another. If you do adopt a belief system, it's important to put some actual research into it. Blind faith fucking sucks.
So does this mean you admit you may be wrong about the Christian God? -
2018-01-01 at 5:27 AM UTCA belief in a "god" I can understand, but a belief in a religious god is just inane to me. That does not make sense, and the belief in it is definitely based on feelings.
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2018-01-01 at 5:34 AM UTC
Originally posted by Enter A belief in a "god" I can understand, but a belief in a religious god is just inane to me. That does not make sense, and the belief in it is definitely based on feelings.
We think the opposite of you. Thinking that there can be no God is inane to us. It doesn't make sense, and is definitely based on feelings. Anger mostly. -
2018-01-01 at 7:04 AM UTC
Originally posted by D4NG0 Yeah, I think most religious people are guilty of feelings over facts at some point or another. If you do adopt a belief system, it's important to put some actual research into it. Blind faith fucking sucks.
I feel very confused by your mixing of concepts here. Blind faith to me is the sheeple people deeple who obey their religion without thought. It's a different problem to the one we are discussing i think. The problem of logic and of where the belief stems from. -
2018-01-01 at 7:05 AM UTCThis is how philosophy should be discussed. So much better when folks like LANNY aren't muddling about the scene. Make lime a zok and leap lov u bb
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2018-01-01 at 9:53 AM UTC
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2018-01-01 at 10:01 AM UTC
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2018-01-01 at 10:04 AM UTC
Originally posted by 哈哈你看不懂中文 I feel very confused by your mixing of concepts here. Blind faith to me is the sheeple people deeple who obey their religion without thought. It's a different problem to the one we are discussing i think. The problem of logic and of where the belief stems from.
Oh. Maybe I'm confused. I interpreted blind faith as in believing for no particular reason. No logic, taking everything at face value, and just going with what you feel. That's what you were talking about, no? -
2018-01-01 at 1:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by Something Squirrel I think that's plenty of reason to never worry, if God loves you enough to create you in his image then you should trust his plan for your life as well.
God isn't responsible for suffering, we are.
The two statements that god has a plan, and that he isn’t responsible for suffering, are mutually exclusive. You fucking moron.
If you believe in an all-powerful, all-knowing god, then you have no free will. You are just a vehicle with god at the wheel 24/7. You are nothing.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-01-01 at 2:02 PM UTCYou can believe in God's plan and still believe in free will. Why would you think you can't?
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2018-01-01 at 2:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by 哈哈你看不懂中文 You can believe in God's plan and still believe in free will. Why would you think you can't?
My argument is based on two assumptions about the deity.
1. The deity is all-powerful
2. The deity is all-knowing
If you believe in a god that fits these 2 criteria then you have no free will. If there is a being that created everything in existence and knows everything that will happen in the future, then that being is the architect of every “choice” you ever made and will make. The being created you and set you on a path that cannot be deviated from (aka “god’s plan”). Starting when you are born up until you die, you do not have any choice in what happens because the decisions have already been made by god before you even existed.
Here’s one example, in the Christian bible it is stated:
“Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, my counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. (Isaiah 46:9-11)” -
2018-01-02 at 6:24 AM UTCOne day you'll wake up and your lack of belief will have failed to insulate you from the world. You'll look around and see theists smiling and drinking wine and realize their idiocy for wisdom, and you'll join them and then you'll die and burn because their God was the wrong one.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-01-02 at 7:09 AM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Paws My argument is based on two assumptions about the deity.
1. The deity is all-powerful
2. The deity is all-knowing
If you believe in a god that fits these 2 criteria then you have no free will. If there is a being that created everything in existence and knows everything that will happen in the future, then that being is the architect of every “choice” you ever made and will make. The being created you and set you on a path that cannot be deviated from (aka “god’s plan”). Starting when you are born up until you die, you do not have any choice in what happens because the decisions have already been made by god before you even existed.
Here’s one example, in the Christian bible it is stated:
“Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, my counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. (Isaiah 46:9-11)”
Huge jump from all-powerful/all-knowing to all-controlling, don't you think?
"The plans of the heart belong to a man, but the answer of the tongue is from the LORD" -Proverbs 16:1
"Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots?" Then also you can do good who are accustomed to do evil" -Jerimiah 13:23
Why would there be any atheists at all if God was all-controlling? He CLEARLY wants you to believe in him.
Then we have fun bits like this, about the devil wranglin' control from God
"Correcting his opponents with gentleness, God may perhaps grand them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil after being captured by him to do his will" -Timothy 2:25
I honestly don't know what I'm doing I'm just quoting shit from a site. But you read this far ey? -
2018-01-02 at 1:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by 哈哈你看不懂中文 Huge jump from all-powerful/all-knowing to all-controlling, don't you think?
"The plans of the heart belong to a man, but the answer of the tongue is from the LORD" -Proverbs 16:1
"Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots?" Then also you can do good who are accustomed to do evil" -Jerimiah 13:23
Why would there be any atheists at all if God was all-controlling? He CLEARLY wants you to believe in him.
Then we have fun bits like this, about the devil wranglin' control from God
"Correcting his opponents with gentleness, God may perhaps grand them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil after being captured by him to do his will" -Timothy 2:25
I honestly don't know what I'm doing I'm just quoting shit from a site. But you read this far ey?
That’s just another example of how the Christian bible is full of logical fallacies and inconsistencies. I only quoted one passage to illustrate my point, but the point still stands regardless of the context of which particular religion we’re talking about.
And that point was that if there is a god that is both all-powerful and all-knowing then, yes, it is also all-controlling.
If god created the universe in such a way that he knows everything that will happen in the future then that means every thought you’ve ever had, every decision made, and everything you’ve ever done, was designed by god before you were born. How can that possibly be called free will?
Think about it, free will means you have the power of choice. And a choice can be defined as how you as an individual decide to react in a given situation. You can agree that an individual with a different personality than you, or with different motivations, or with more or less information than you, may react differently in a given situation than you would right? That’s what free will means.
But what makes an individual? An all-powerful god designed your DNA, the environment you were raised in, all the people you’ve ever interacted with, all your experiences - in essence, all the information that shapes who you are as an individual, basically your entire concept of “self”. In other words, individuality is meaningless because God decided who you are as an individual, not you.
If you disagree with anything I’ve said so far then you are saying that either god did not personally design and create everything in existence (not all-powerful), or that god can be surprised at a choice someone makes (not all-knowing).The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-01-02 at 4:16 PM UTCA sense of free will or a sense of self is an illusion.
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2018-01-02 at 4:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind A sense of free will or a sense of self is an illusion.
I disagree because I don’t believe in god and I also don’t believe in causal determinism. I believe that there is an element of randomness that manifests in the universe on a macroscopic level, which influences the events that we encounter in our individual lives, and thus how we react during those events, thus affecting future events. If that doesn’t constitute a “self” I dunno what does. -
2018-01-02 at 5:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Paws I disagree because I don’t believe in god and I also don’t believe in causal determinism. I believe that there is an element of randomness that manifests in the universe on a macroscopic level, which influences the events that we encounter in our individual lives, and thus how we react during those events, thus affecting future events. If that doesn’t constitute a “self” I dunno what does.
but what if i tell you that gott is this element of randomness ? ??
