User Controls
So, this is happening...
-
2017-10-13 at 3:57 AM UTC
-
2017-10-13 at 7:25 AM UTC
-
2017-10-13 at 7:29 AM UTC
-
2017-10-13 at 7:30 AM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon Black Lives Matter isn't racist lol. Whether you agree with the message or not, or think it's stupid (and I can talk about that), it's not a racist organisation. It's named as such because it's focused on mistreatment of black people in the United States. The same way that not all cops are bad (something BLM doesn't take care to clarify, and arguably with good reason), BLM is a series of loosely connected protests and organisations, and are overwhelmingly peaceful. There are, of course, some retards in the mix. I can discuss your specific views on black issues in the US.
Yeah bro, be sure to cup the balls and swallow when the mainstream media next shoves it's big dick of propaganda down your throat. Either White Lives Matter is racist and so is Black Lives Matter or neither of them are. -
2017-10-13 at 7:33 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Yeah bro, be sure to cup the balls and swallow when the mainstream media next shoves it's big dick of propaganda down your throat. Either White Lives Matter is racist and so is Black Lives Matter or neither of them are.
Tutorial: How to identify someone who can't justify their views in 1 easy step -
2017-10-13 at 8:15 AM UTC
-
2017-10-13 at 5 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon Black Lives Matter isn't racist lol. Whether you agree with the message or not, or think it's stupid (and I can talk about that), it's not a racist organisation. It's named as such because it's focused on mistreatment of black people in the United States. The same way that not all cops are bad (something BLM doesn't take care to clarify, and arguably with good reason), BLM is a series of loosely connected protests and organisations, and are overwhelmingly peaceful. There are, of course, some retards in the mix. I can discuss your specific views on black issues in the US.
It is racist. There is no other reason to get offended at things like 'all lives matter' or 'blue lives matter.' Seriously, what the fuck? Is it any fucking wonder that the majority of the people in these marches are black? What about the hispanics and muslims who are discriminated against?
Alicia Garza, the creator of black lives matter, supports the black panthers and some other similar groups I can't remember. She once said that black people "are uniquely, systematically, and savagely targeted by the state in a way that no other people are." And, "Stand with us in affirming Black lives. Not just all lives. Black lives. Please do not change the conversation by talking about how your life matters, too.”
And let's look at their demands, yeah?(a) “an immediate end to police brutality”;
(b) “full, living-wage employment for our people”;
© “decent housing”;
(d) “freedom from mass incarceration”;
(e) “a public education system that teaches the rich history of Black people”;
(f) “the release of all U.S. political prisoners
It's funny how these marches never focus on the real issue, which is blacks killing other blacks. You are way, way, way more likely to be killed by some nigga on your way to the corner store than you are to be killed by some racist cop. Racism is such a non-issue in this country anyway. This is one of the most tolerant and racially heterogeneous countries in the world. Not that it doesn't exist, but like, man.
Look at what they do to black people in places like India. Literally beating black people in a mob. I'm sure your country has similar issues. Look at how racially charged Africa is. Or Greece. Look at how they treat foreigners in China. One of my favorite youtubers in China (serpentza) one time got beat up in a mob after standing up for himself so that he didn't get robbed.
When is the last time a nationalist or racist movement has hit the streets in America with any amount of support? When is the last time somebody has gotten beat up in public by a mob for being a different race? I mean, you don't hear about police brutality in other countries because it happens so fucking often it wouldn't be pertinent.
This is a GREAT country to fucking live in comparatively, everybody just wants to make it seem terrible so they have something to bitch about. These marching street nigs should be happy they have the right to even protest, let alone have it tolerated that they block off entire highways. You know what happens when people do this in other countries? They get shot or gassed or have tanks sent at them.
Kinda went off mark, but yeah. The whole black lives matter movement is fucking retarded, and it doesn't focus on any real issues that would actually help anybody. I want to see marches for health care and net neutrality, not this shit.
/hydroThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-10-13 at 5:06 PM UTCAnyone who holds a parade in a "look at me I iz special!" are faggots and should be treated as such. /thread.
-
2017-10-13 at 6:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by 霍比特人说中文不好 It is racist. There is no other reason to get offended at things like 'all lives matter' or 'blue lives matter.' Seriously, what the fuck? Is it any fucking wonder that the majority of the people in these marches are black? What about the hispanics and muslims who are discriminated against?
The problem with "all lives matter" is that it is retarded and completely mischaracterizes the point of saying "black lives matter". The point isn't that only black lives matter but that black lives are undervalued by the institutions of the United states. In a nutshell, their message is "black lives matter as well". Of course all lives matter, that's not the point, it is just a dumb ass way to mischaracterize that point to imply that they're saying only black lives matter, which they are not.
Blue Lives Matter is fucking idiotic. One, you choose to work as a cop. You don't get to choose to be black. Again, the point is not to say that cops' lives don't matter (although, fuck the police). But cops' lives, again, are not undervalued. They are treated as heroes and get paid vacation when they beat the shit out of someone without cause, or kill them. It's not an equivalent issue.Alicia Garza, the creator of black lives matter, supports the black panthers and some other similar groups I can't remember. She once said that black people "are uniquely, systematically, and savagely targeted by the state in a way that no other people are." And, "Stand with us in affirming Black lives. Not just all lives. Black lives. Please do not change the conversation by talking about how your life matters, too.”
BLM is not an organization, it is a collection of different movements centered around black issues in America. What Alicia Garza supports has no reflection on what the movement at large represents or stands for. That's literally guilt by association. And again, you are mischaracterizing the point of saying "black lives matter" and not "all lives matter"; of course all lives matter, but yes they do, but black lives are undervalued more than any other in the USA.
Example:
- You and Tyshawn go to the cafeteria lady
- She gives you and everyone else a full plate, and then gives Tyshawn a half plate
Tyshawn: "Hey, I paid for my lunch. I deserve to get a full plate. §m£ÂgØL, come back me up!"
§m£ÂgØL: "No, we all deserve to get a full plate!"
Tyshawn: "Yeah but you got a full plate, I didn't get one. I want you to back me up on getting a full plate."
§m£ÂgØL: "ARE YOU SAYING ONLY YOU DESERVE A FULL PLATE? WHY DON'T YOU SAY WE ALL DESERVE A FULL PLATE?!?"
Tyshawn: "Nigga, we all deserve a full plate, but I'm getting half a plate and that's the fucking problem."
§m£ÂgØL: "CAFETERIA LADIES DESERVE FULL PAY. WE SHOULD ALL GET FULL PLATES."
Tyshawn:
And let's look at their demands, yeah?
Could you provide me a direct link to where "they" have published these demands? Again, BLM is not an organization. It's a name for several movements.It's funny how these marches never focus on the real issue, which is blacks killing other blacks. You are way, way, way more likely to be killed by some nigga on your way to the corner store than you are to be killed by some racist cop. Racism is such a non-issue in this country anyway. This is one of the most tolerant and racially heterogeneous countries in the world. Not that it doesn't exist, but like, man.
Look at what they do to black people in places like India. Literally beating black people in a mob. I'm sure your country has similar issues. Look at how racially charged Africa is. Or Greece. Look at how they treat foreigners in China. One of my favorite youtubers in China (serpentza) one time got beat up in a mob after standing up for himself so that he didn't get robbed.
When is the last time a nationalist or racist movement has hit the streets in America with any amount of support? When is the last time somebody has gotten beat up in public by a mob for being a different race? I mean, you don't hear about police brutality in other countries because it happens so fucking often it wouldn't be pertinent.
This is a GREAT country to fucking live in comparatively, everybody just wants to make it seem terrible so they have something to bitch about. These marching street nigs should be happy they have the right to even protest, let alone have it tolerated that they block off entire highways. You know what happens when people do this in other countries? They get shot or gassed or have tanks sent at them.
Kinda went off mark, but yeah. The whole black lives matter movement is fucking retarded, and it doesn't focus on any real issues that would actually help anybody. I want to see marches for health care and net neutrality, not this shit.
/hydro
Ah good, now we're getting to the real conversation.
Part of what BLM addresses is the legacy of racism in the US, and how it impacts the black community today. This includes black on black violence.
My first question to you is, why do you think blacks are disproportionately represented in crime statistics? I'm not talking about arrests or anything. Lets agree that blacks DO commit proportionately more crimes than any other race in the US. Why is that? Do you believe in some kind of biological negroism that predisposes them to crime? Because that would be a completely scientifically baseless idea.
If you're reasonable, you'll agree that the reason blacks commit more crimes is because of reasons such as the fact that they are overrepresented in the poorest segments of american society, by proportion, and have cultural problems (for example the glorification of criminal activity) that promotes crime. Poverty breeds crime; even in mostly racially/culturally homogenous societies, the majority of crime (basically all violent crime) is committed by poor people, and it's committed against other poor people.
Ghettos and other low income areas are pits of crime, and the only way to address it is through, you know, raising general standards of living and giving poor people the option to do shit that isn't crime. Things like after school programs, "big brother" programs and so on, have actually been shown to be very effective at keeping kids off the street and away from crime in impoverished neighborhoods. Truancy rates are directly related to crime rates in poor teenagers.
BLM's position is that the reason why blacks are disproportionately represented in crime statistics is because they are disproportionately represented in lower income brackets and neighbourhoods, and the reason for that in turn is because of the legacy of racism in the US, from things like Jim Crow laws, which were actually, factually, literally responsible for the creation of the most problematic ghettos in the United States today. And unless you're willing to disagree on reality and facts (and thus want to blame it on some essential negroism), I don't really see how you can dispute that.
BLM's position, then, is that black communities need to be helped out and put back onto the same level as other racial groups in the US, and they need help from the government and other communities to do so. The argument is that they are and were undervalued as citizens, and that's the root cause of their specific position within the US, as a race.
The common counterargument is that black communities need to simply help themselves out; black kids just need to make the choice to stay in school, black people just need to make the choice to not commit crime, black people just need to make the choice to "get better". That's a red herring, because of course they need to do those things, that's not the argument, the argument is about what goes into making those choices possible and feasible.
And to that end, you basically have to invoke the Libertarian Free Will meme, as if some kid in a single parent household where his mama is working 2 jobs and can't keep an eye on him all day is in the position to just "make the right choice" out of thin air, like his personality isn't shaped by the environment he's living in and the opportunities available to him. Again, that's a philosophically and scientifically untenable position.
That's the crux of BLM's ideas. There are more extreme sections of the community, but hopefully you can see that's not all of it. It's easy to pick apart a straw man, but it doesn't get you anywhere. You should apply the principle of charity to viewpoints that are not aligned with your own.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charityThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-10-13 at 6:37 PM UTC^Didn't read.
-
2017-10-13 at 7:31 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon And to that end, you basically have to invoke the Libertarian Free Will meme, as if some kid in a single parent household where his mama is working 2 jobs and can't keep an eye on him all day is in the position to just "make the right choice" out of thin air, like his personality isn't shaped by the environment he's living in and the opportunities available to him.
Shouldn't he just get high?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-10-13 at 8:30 PM UTC
-
2017-10-13 at 10:33 PM UTC
-
2017-10-13 at 10:38 PM UTCI'm starting my own movement. "Southern Ohio Meth Head's lives Matter" please sign up below plz...
-
2017-10-13 at 10:44 PM UTC
-
2017-10-13 at 10:45 PM UTC
-
2017-10-13 at 11:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon The problem with "all lives matter" is that it is retarded and completely mischaracterizes the point of saying "black lives matter". The point isn't that only black lives matter but that black lives are undervalued by the institutions of the United states. In a nutshell, their message is "black lives matter as well". Of course all lives matter, that's not the point, it is just a dumb ass way to mischaracterize that point to imply that they're saying only black lives matter, which they are not.
Blue Lives Matter is fucking idiotic. One, you choose to work as a cop. You don't get to choose to be black. Again, the point is not to say that cops' lives don't matter (although, fuck the police). But cops' lives, again, are not undervalued. They are treated as heroes and get paid vacation when they beat the shit out of someone without cause, or kill them. It's not an equivalent issue.
BLM is not an organization, it is a collection of different movements centered around black issues in America. What Alicia Garza supports has no reflection on what the movement at large represents or stands for. That's literally guilt by association. And again, you are mischaracterizing the point of saying "black lives matter" and not "all lives matter"; of course all lives matter, but yes they do, but black lives are undervalued more than any other in the USA.
Example:
- You and Tyshawn go to the cafeteria lady
- She gives you and everyone else a full plate, and then gives Tyshawn a half plate
Tyshawn: "Hey, I paid for my lunch. I deserve to get a full plate. §m£ÂgØL, come back me up!"
§m£ÂgØL: "No, we all deserve to get a full plate!"
Tyshawn: "Yeah but you got a full plate, I didn't get one. I want you to back me up on getting a full plate."
§m£ÂgØL: "ARE YOU SAYING ONLY YOU DESERVE A FULL PLATE? WHY DON'T YOU SAY WE ALL DESERVE A FULL PLATE?!?"
Tyshawn: "Nigga, we all deserve a full plate, but I'm getting half a plate and that's the fucking problem."
§m£ÂgØL: "CAFETERIA LADIES DESERVE FULL PAY. WE SHOULD ALL GET FULL PLATES."
Tyshawn:
Could you provide me a direct link to where "they" have published these demands? Again, BLM is not an organization. It's a name for several movements.
Ah good, now we're getting to the real conversation.
Part of what BLM addresses is the legacy of racism in the US, and how it impacts the black community today. This includes black on black violence.
My first question to you is, why do you think blacks are disproportionately represented in crime statistics? I'm not talking about arrests or anything. Lets agree that blacks DO commit proportionately more crimes than any other race in the US. Why is that? Do you believe in some kind of biological negroism that predisposes them to crime? Because that would be a completely scientifically baseless idea.
If you're reasonable, you'll agree that the reason blacks commit more crimes is because of reasons such as the fact that they are overrepresented in the poorest segments of american society, by proportion, and have cultural problems (for example the glorification of criminal activity) that promotes crime. Poverty breeds crime; even in mostly racially/culturally homogenous societies, the majority of crime (basically all violent crime) is committed by poor people, and it's committed against other poor people.
Ghettos and other low income areas are pits of crime, and the only way to address it is through, you know, raising general standards of living and giving poor people the option to do shit that isn't crime. Things like after school programs, "big brother" programs and so on, have actually been shown to be very effective at keeping kids off the street and away from crime in impoverished neighborhoods. Truancy rates are directly related to crime rates in poor teenagers.
BLM's position is that the reason why blacks are disproportionately represented in crime statistics is because they are disproportionately represented in lower income brackets and neighbourhoods, and the reason for that in turn is because of the legacy of racism in the US, from things like Jim Crow laws, which were actually, factually, literally responsible for the creation of the most problematic ghettos in the United States today. And unless you're willing to disagree on reality and facts (and thus want to blame it on some essential negroism), I don't really see how you can dispute that.
BLM's position, then, is that black communities need to be helped out and put back onto the same level as other racial groups in the US, and they need help from the government and other communities to do so. The argument is that they are and were undervalued as citizens, and that's the root cause of their specific position within the US, as a race.
The common counterargument is that black communities need to simply help themselves out; black kids just need to make the choice to stay in school, black people just need to make the choice to not commit crime, black people just need to make the choice to "get better". That's a red herring, because of course they need to do those things, that's not the argument, the argument is about what goes into making those choices possible and feasible.
And to that end, you basically have to invoke the Libertarian Free Will meme, as if some kid in a single parent household where his mama is working 2 jobs and can't keep an eye on him all day is in the position to just "make the right choice" out of thin air, like his personality isn't shaped by the environment he's living in and the opportunities available to him. Again, that's a philosophically and scientifically untenable position.
That's the crux of BLM's ideas. There are more extreme sections of the community, but hopefully you can see that's not all of it. It's easy to pick apart a straw man, but it doesn't get you anywhere. You should apply the principle of charity to viewpoints that are not aligned with your own.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity
haiti.
rhodesia.
south africa.
/thread -
2017-10-13 at 11:13 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
-
2017-10-14 at 12:37 AM UTC
-
2017-10-14 at 12:39 AM UTC
