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The Simulation Hypothesis
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2017-10-03 at 3:56 AM UTC
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2017-10-03 at 7:09 AM UTC
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2017-10-03 at 7:24 AM UTCBut anyway, in my opinion, the simulation hypothesis requires the special pleading that the unsimulated world might simply not have the constraints of our simulated world, and that strays into unfalsifiable territory. That's why this is not a good "hypothesis". There's not a single thing I can tell you that cannot be dismissed by "that's not necessarily true for the insinuated universe".
I can tell you practical concerns and clashes with our knowledge of physics, but those can be moved too. So whenever I have the discussion I place the condition that if at any point you bring up the unfalsifiable memes, you concede defeat. So let's just take for granted that a potential simulator with the ability to make a simulation of this quality would endeavour to make our universe's laws perfectly compliant with their own, and that they have done so, how would that feat actually clash with those laws of physics and logic? -
2017-10-03 at 8:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by Falco So let's just take for granted that a potential simulator with the ability to make a simulation of this quality would endeavour to make our universe's laws perfectly compliant with their own, and that they have done so, how would that feat actually clash with those laws of physics and logic?
I can't see much of a reason to justify that assumption than the alternative, but fine, how exactly would such a simulation clash with our present understanding of physics? -
2017-10-03 at 9:39 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny I can't see much of a reason to justify that assumption than the alternative, but fine, how exactly would such a simulation clash with our present understanding of physics?
Let me start with the simplest one:
I'm sure you are familiar with the n-body problem in mathematics (and physics). Even if you assume that interactions between n>2 bodies can be regularized and apply Sundman's globalised solution to generate every "frame" of reality as a simulation and are not doing it in real time, by the evolution of even a small system (less than 5 physical elements), eventually the simulated elements in the system will quickly grow to larger than the number of atoms in the known universe, and there is no way to represent them. It's basically mathematically impossible to simulate.
Take the example of a quadruple pendulum for example
Simulations such as this one are purposely designed to cull many, many elements of the actual system as it evolves. In the case of the quadruple pendulum, without saying "hey, we just aren't going to include any forces except these", the system would evolve at the rate of n^x^z if n is the initial number of forces being simulated, X is the number of frames into the simulation, and z=(x+1)^((x+1)^x) until it would quickly approaching an infinite amount of time to generate the next frame of the simulation. -
2017-10-03 at 9:41 AM UTCDeath Note sucked ass
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2017-10-03 at 10:59 AM UTC
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2017-10-03 at 1:54 PM UTC
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2017-10-03 at 4:43 PM UTCThe gap between human and chimpanzee intelligence, despite the fact that we share more than 98 percent of our DNA. Somewhere out there could be a being whose intelligence is that much greater than our own. We would be drooling, blithering idiots in their presence. If that’s the case, it is easy for me to imagine that everything in our lives is just a creation of some other entity for their entertainment. The more we learn about the universe, the more it appears to be based on mathematical laws. Perhaps that is not a given, but a function of the nature of the universe we are living in. If I were a character in a computer game, I would also discover eventually that the rules seemed completely rigid and mathematical. If the simulation hypothesis is valid then we open the door to eternal life and resurrection and things that formally have been discussed in the realm of religion.
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2017-10-03 at 4:58 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind The gap between human and chimpanzee intelligence, despite the fact that we share more than 98 percent of our DNA. Somewhere out there could be a being whose intelligence is that much greater than our own. We would be drooling, blithering idiots in their presence. If that’s the case, it is easy for me to imagine that everything in our lives is just a creation of some other entity for their entertainment. The more we learn about the universe, the more it appears to be based on mathematical laws. Perhaps that is not a given, but a function of the nature of the universe we are living in. If I were a character in a computer game, I would also discover eventually that the rules seemed completely rigid and mathematical. If the simulation hypothesis is valid then we open the door to eternal life and resurrection and things that formally have been discussed in the realm of religion.
i thot they're no rules in event horizon -
2017-10-03 at 6:54 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind The gap between human and chimpanzee intelligence, despite the fact that we share more than 98 percent of our DNA. Somewhere out there could be a being whose intelligence is that much greater than our own. We would be drooling, blithering idiots in their presence. If that’s the case, it is easy for me to imagine that everything in our lives is just a creation of some other entity for their entertainment. The more we learn about the universe, the more it appears to be based on mathematical laws. Perhaps that is not a given, but a function of the nature of the universe we are living in. If I were a character in a computer game, I would also discover eventually that the rules seemed completely rigid and mathematical. If the simulation hypothesis is valid then we open the door to eternal life and resurrection and things that formally have been discussed in the realm of religion.
GOD???? -
2017-10-03 at 7:16 PM UTC
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2017-10-03 at 7:22 PM UTC
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2017-10-03 at 7:44 PM UTCI always wanted to take about 50 new babbies and raise them alone in a big circus tent deal and give them no outside contact for at least 10 years and only let them play with each other, no electronics or toys or anything whatsoever other than each other, and play weird shit over a loudspeaker , stuff like cartoon character crying compilations and heniously loud calliope music.
And then just take notes and get high and watch them.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-10-03 at 8:48 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ I always wanted to take about 50 new babbies and raise them alone in a big circus tent deal and give them no outside contact for at least 10 years and only let them play with each other, no electronics or toys or anything whatsoever other than each other, and play weird shit over a loudspeaker , stuff like cartoon character crying compilations and heniously loud calliope music.
And then just take notes and get high and watch them.
about 6 or 7 years into this they are going to start fucking with each other, are you still going to take notes and get high and watch them then you cisk fuck ????
are fucking you ??? ?? -
2017-10-03 at 8:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by benny vader about 6 or 7 years into this they are going to start fucking with each other, are you still going to take notes and get high and watch them then you cisk fuck ????
are fucking you ??? ??
They're going to need each other. I will always take notes. This is about them, not me. -
2017-10-03 at 9 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-10-03 at 9:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ I always wanted to take about 50 new babbies and raise them alone in a big circus tent deal and give them no outside contact for at least 10 years and only let them play with each other, no electronics or toys or anything whatsoever other than each other, and play weird shit over a loudspeaker , stuff like cartoon character crying compilations and heniously loud calliope music.
And then just take notes and get high and watch them.
What machinations form the funny little world inside your mind, I wonder. -
2017-10-03 at 9:09 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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