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The Simulation Hypothesis

  1. #21
    ^someone who wishes they were an actual philosopher
    The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
  2. #22
    Originally posted by matrix ^someone who wishes they were an actual philosopher

    ^someone who wishes they weren't autistic
  3. #23
    ^someone who wishes he wasn't a sandnigger
  4. #24
    LegalizeSpiritualDiscovery Space Nigga [my yellow-marked arboreous hypnotist]
    ^retard
  5. #25
    ^someone who wishes he didn't traumatize his mom
  6. #26
    well, this could've been a good thread
  7. #27
    Originally posted by matrix ^someone who wishes he wasn't a sandnigger

    ^ someone who wishes he wasn't living in his mom's basement
  8. #28
    Kill yourself and see what happens. That'll settle it.
  9. #29
    Mfw getting insulted by a muslim virgin
  10. #30
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
  11. #31
    mashlehash victim of incest [my perspicuously dependant flavourlessness]
    Originally posted by Open Your Mind The world is a strange place. All the world is a stage and you and I are actors.

    I think in more primagive times, the rule of conduct to be an u unknowingly actor was less of a psychosocial construct
  12. #32
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
  13. #33
    Yes, there is an allure to unfalsifiable hypotheses that have no consequences upon our actions.

    Anyway, the simulation hypothesis misses out two very important issues, one practical and one philosophical.
  14. #34
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    I'm gonna tell you about a dream I once had. I know that when someone says that, then usually you're in for a very boring next few minutes, and you might be, but it sounds like, you know, what else are you going to do, right? Anyway, I read this essay by Philip K. Dick.

    What, you read it in your dream?

    No, no. I read it before the dream. It was the preamble to the dream. It was about that book, um Flow My Tears the Policeman Said. You know that one?

    Uh, yeah yeah, he won an award for that one.

    Right, right. That's the one he wrote really fast. It just like flowed right out of him. He felt he was sort of channeling it, or something. But anyway, about four years after it was published, he was at this party, and he met this woman who had the same name as the woman character in the book. And she had a boyfriend with the same name as the boyfriend character in the book, and she was having an affair with this guy, the chief of police, and he had the same name as the chief of police in his book. So she's telling him all of this stuff from her life, and everything she's saying is right out of his book. So that's totally freaking him out, but, what can he do?

    And then shortly after that, he was going to mail a letter, and he saw this kind of, um, you know, dangerous, shady looking guy standing by his car, but instead of avoiding him, which he says he would have usually done, he just walked right up to him and said, "Can I help you?" And the guy said, "Yeah. I, I ran out of gas." So he pulls out his wallet, and he hands him some money, which he says he never would have done, and then he gets home and thinks, wait a second, this guy, you know, he can't get to a gas station, he's out of gas. So he gets back in his car, he goes and finds the guy, takes him to the gas station, and as he's pulling up at the gas station, he realizes, "Hey, this is in my book too. This exact station, this exact guy. Everything."

    So this whole episode is kind of creepy, right? And he's telling his priest about it, you know, describing how he wrote this book, and then four years later all these things happened to him. And as he's telling it to him, the priest says, "That's the Book of Acts. You're describing the Book of Acts." And he's like, "I've never read the Book of Acts." So he, you know, goes home and reads the Book of Acts, and it's like uncanny. Even the characters' names are the same as in the Bible. And the Book of Acts takes place in 50 A.D., when it was written, supposedly. So Philip K. Dick had this theory that time was an illusion and that we were all actually in 50 A.D., and the reason he had written this book was that he had somehow momentarily punctured through this illusion, this veil of time, and what he had seen there was what was going on in the Book of Acts.

    And he was really into Gnosticism, and this idea that this demiurge, or demon, had created this illusion of time to make us forget that Christ was about to return, and the kingdom of God was about to arrive. And that we're all in 50 A.D., and there's someone trying to make us forget that God is imminent. And that's what time is. That's what all of history is. It's just this kind of continuous, you know, daydream, or distraction.

    And so I read that, and I was like, well that's weird. And than that night I had a dream and there was this guy in the dream who was supposed to be a psychic. But I was skeptical. I was like, you know, he's not really a psychic, you know I'm thinking to myself. And then suddenly I start floating, like levitating, up to the ceiling. And as I almost go through the roof, I'm like, "Okay, Mr. Psychic. I believe you. You're a psychic. Put me down please." And I float down, and as my feet touch the ground, the psychic turns into this woman in a green dress. And this woman is Lady Gregory.

    Now Lady Gregory was Yeats' patron, this, you know, Irish person. And though I'd never seen her image, I was just sure that this was the face of Lady Gregory. So we're walking along, and Lady Gregory turns to me and says, "Let me explain to you the nature of the universe. Now Philip K. Dick is right about time, but he's wrong that it's 50 A.D. Actually, there's only one instant, and it's right now, and it's eternity. And it's an instant in which God is posing a question, and that question is basically, 'Do you want to, you know, be one with eternity? Do you want to be in heaven?' And we're all saying, 'No thank you. Not just yet.' And so time is actually just this constant saying 'No' to God's invitation. I mean that's what time is. I mean, and it's no more 50 A.D. than it's two thousand and one. And there's just this one instant, and that's what we're always in."

    And then she tells me that actually this is the narrative of everyone's life. That, you know, behind the phenomenal difference, there is but one story, and that's the story of moving from the "no" to the "yes." All of life is like, "No thank you. No thank you. No thank you." then ultimately it's, "Yes, I give in. Yes, I accept. Yes, I embrace." I mean, that's the journey. I mean, everyone gets to the "yes" in the end, right?

    Right.

    So we continue walking, and my dog runs over to me. And so I'm petting him, really happy to see him, you know, he's been dead for years. So I'm petting him and I realize there's this kind of gross oozing stuff coming out of his stomach. And I look over at Lady Gregory, and she sort of coughs. She's like [cough] [cough] "Oh, excuse me." And there's vomit, like dribbling down her chin, and it smells really bad. And I think, "Well, wait a second, that's not just the smell of vomit," which is, doesn't smell very good, "that's the smell of like dead person vomit." You know, so it's like doubly foul. And then I realize I'm actually in the land of the dead, and everyone around me is dead. My dog had been dead for over ten years, Lady Gregory had been dead a lot longer than that. When I finally woke up, I was like, whoa, that wasn't a dream, that was a visitation to this real place, the land of the dead.

    So what happened? I mean how did you finally get out of it?

    Oh man. It was just like one of those like life altering experiences. I mean I could never really look at the world the same way again, after that.
  15. #35
    Sophie Pedophile Tech Support
    Originally posted by Captain Falcon The simulation hypothesis is bunk because nobody programs anything this bug free, not even god.

    That's assuming you'd even program the people to be able to perceive any bugs that may be present.
  16. #36
    Originally posted by Sophie That's assuming you'd even program the people to be able to perceive any bugs that may be present.

    To the best of our knowledge, unless our "one level higher" simulationverse has a ruleset that allows "invisible dragons in the garage" to be reasonable, any bugs that can affect our simulation would manifest as some sort of effect within the system and to be meaningful, they need to be able to somehow change or affect things, and when they do, they can be measured. This they are going to be detectable by humans.
  17. #37
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
  18. #38
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]


    I've only seen about 50 minutes of this one, but it's pretty interesting discussion of the topic from several different points of view.
  19. #39
    Obbe, I used to be really into listening to long lectures like these but I realized that once you've seen one by a particular person on a particular topic, you pretty much have seen 80% of the content.

    Then there are diminishing returns on each new one you watch by that person, and it's only slightly better when you watch multiple lectures by the different people on the same topic.

    In particular, watching a horde of mixtures on the same side of an argument (specially if it confirms your own opinion) is a great way to get irretrievably entrenched in a view.

    You may be a plagiarist with no originals thoughts, but at least you seem genuinely interested in expanding your kind, so this is my advice for you.
  20. #40
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    I assure you I am not entrenched in one side or opinion.
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