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Mouth Wash Doesn't Conceal the Smell of Alcohol
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2017-06-13 at 8:58 PM UTCHalfway houses are funny to watch when they are all quietly sitting in the living room watching a movie one night, and three or four bull screws walk into the room suddenly, and you get one guy jumping out of his chair and bouncing off the walls and ceilings to get away. Classic shit.
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2017-06-13 at 9:43 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ Good for you, and if you think knowing someone in treatment is insulting, I can see why you're such a thin-skinned bitch.
Yeah fucker. Some of the best ppl I know have been in one at some point in their life. That's where I go to get some grit on where to score shit. Always come out on top. -
2017-06-13 at 11:22 PM UTC
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2017-06-14 at 2:06 AM UTCMost states make you sign a document when you apply for a license that allows them to revoke your license if you refuse, however it is not as black and white as that in practice.
First of all, in most states, the police are required to inform you upon your first refusal to take the breathalyser, that it will result in the revocation of your license. If they do not, it is plain and simple, they cannot revoke your license. So it is always worth refusing, in case they slip up. If they do inform you then you can start worrying. Always refuse field sobriety tests, like walking in a straight line etc.
Additionally, breathalysers that are used for roadside tests cannot be used in court, so you should try to delay it, but ultimately you probably shouldn't refuse to take it if they do tell you it'll get your license revoked after your first refusal. After the roadside test, they will take you back to their station and give you a test there, and this is the one to watch out for. At this point, you can and should ask for an attorney before taking the breathalyser. You do not need to refuse to take it, but you can refuse to take it right away. This is a delaying tactic, and you are trying to buy yourself time here. In most states, you also have the right to have a second test administered by a physician of your choice. If you have one who can cover you, this can actually be the biggest help when you finally arrive in court; depending on the delay, you can test for much lower levels, or your physician friend could outright lie if they like you enough.
Finally, you do not need to take a breathalyser test unless you are extremely, visibly and provably inebriated and there are reasonable grounds for a test. You can argue in court that the officer had no grounds to ask you to take a breathalyser test. This can lead to the court reversing the revocation of your license on procedural grounds.
The best tip, however, is simply to be safe and not drive drunk.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-06-14 at 3:35 AM UTC- The breath device must be on a conforming list of acceptable devices.
- The breath device must be properly maintained and checked for accuracy at regular, set intervals.
- The person administering the test must be certified in the use of that particular device.
- The person administering the test must do so in accordance with his training.
- The person administering the test must ensure the test subject does not burp, regurgitate, eat, vomit, or smoke for a period of time immediately prior to the testing sequence.
- The breath test must capture at least two measurable readings that are within .02 of one another.
A skilled defense attorney can subpoena the maintenance and calibration records of the Breathalyzer on which you tested, possibly using them as evidence that the equipment was not properly tuned to deliver entirely reliable test results.
At that point, the burden will shift back to the government to prove the defendant's intoxication through some other type of evidence such as the odor of alcohol on the suspect's breath, red or watery eyes, bad driving, poor performance on roadside field sobriety tests or a car accident. -
2017-06-14 at 3:36 AM UTCcan confirm
guy I used to work with smelled of bourbon and listerine every morning -
2017-06-14 at 7:47 AM UTCI don't get the "smelling like booze" thing. Maybe I never notice it because it's truly rare for me to be sober around drunk people but unless I'm being a spaz and spill my drink on myself I don't think I emit a detectable odor of alcohol when drinking. Like what, the alcohol gets into your blood and seeps your pores or something? I mean even if that does happen it's alcohol, it should evaporate pretty quick right?
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2017-06-14 at 7:51 AM UTC
Originally posted by Eval/Apply I don't get the "smelling like booze" thing. Maybe I never notice it because it's truly rare for me to be sober around drunk people but unless I'm being a spaz and spill my drink on myself I don't think I emit a detectable odor of alcohol when drinking. Like what, the alcohol gets into your blood and seeps your pores or something? I mean even if that does happen it's alcohol, it should evaporate pretty quick right?
That is exactly what happens. It's through your poars, and no it's very difficult to smell yourself. -
2017-06-14 at 7:52 AM UTCif you get drunk enough it's easily detectable on your breath, and chances are if you're that drunk you're standing way too close as well
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2017-06-14 at 12:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by Eval/Apply I don't get the "smelling like booze" thing. Maybe I never notice it because it's truly rare for me to be sober around drunk people but unless I'm being a spaz and spill my drink on myself I don't think I emit a detectable odor of alcohol when drinking. Like what, the alcohol gets into your blood and seeps your pores or something? I mean even if that does happen it's alcohol, it should evaporate pretty quick right?
I've only met one person that you could ever smell booze on and she would get fucked up well beyond what would be considered reasonable
Though you could smell it on her before you could tell by behavior alone so maybe she always spilt it or something
Also it doesn't really smell like straight alcohol, it smells like whatever they were drinking
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2017-06-14 at 12:26 PM UTCBling is like if Scron was actually funny, and not a faggot
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2017-06-14 at 6:06 PM UTCWhen you drink enough the smell comes through the pores of your skin so concealing breath and such only does so much.
Just rub deodorant on your face like Jim Lahey. -
2017-09-01 at 11:18 AM UTC
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2017-09-01 at 5:37 PM UTCWhat if, like using someone else's piss for a UA, you could use someone else's breath for a breathalyzer. Like, have them breath into a sandwich bag and seal it, then when you need it, you conceal the bag in your mouth and use your tongue to open it right before you blow into the tube?
SEEMS LOGICAL AND REALISTIC, RIGHT? -
2017-09-01 at 5:50 PM UTC
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2017-09-01 at 6:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by mashlehash Uhm, okay.
How many people do this?
Lots of people. And of them, most understand that they're not completely masking the booze, rather they're giving it a ski-mask. It's a better alternative to a straight booze scent.
In my early drinking days I admittedly assumed a good teeth brushing and mouthwash rinse would eliminate and lingering scent. It didn't take me long to learn otherwise. "Dude you fucking reek like booze" made that an easy lesson.
Though like I said it has a lot to do with the pores as well. When someone generally smells of alcohol from a short distance away, it's going to be a bodily deal. You have to pretty much be talking to someone within 5ft to notice someone's booze-breath, and within 3ft to notice a distinct booze smell when the person has used mouthwash recently.
I have though learned that a hit of bud or a cig is a good breath morpher. -
2017-09-01 at 6:21 PM UTC
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2017-09-01 at 6:48 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist how you proving that in court specky?
I don't suppose it can be can be proven with any physical evidence other than a dash or bodycam showing a failed field sobriety test.
Things like a cop saying 'I smelled alcohol', 'His eyes were red', 'He swerved,' well they may suggest the subject was drinking but they don't prove it. For as much legal experience as I have, I'm actually not quite sure how much a police officer's word hold up in court, as far as being used as a factual basis that a crime occurred. Obviously I'm sure it happens, but I'm sure it also doesn't. I feel like it would be easy to dismiss 'hearsay' style evidence. A cop's word should count as hearsay. Here's my approach as a defense attorney:
*partial way into police officer's testimony*
"I smelled alcohol on his breath."
How do you know it was alcohol, and that it was coming from his breath?
"I was in front of the suspect and he was facing me, talking to me, and I could smell it."
How do you know that he hadn't recently purchased a bottle of alcohol, dropped it when he was getting into his vehicle, soaking that side of the seat and floor, causing a prevalent scent of alcohol?
"Because I could smell it coming off of his breath."
You would admit that it's possible you mistook his breath for the overall scent of spilled alcohol in his vehicle?
"...Possible? I'd say nearly impossible I guess. I know what I smelled."
We know you know what you smelled. (though we actually don't) So, nearly impossible, but not entirely impossible?
"Yeah I guess. Very unlikely alright. GOD DAMN."
Umad bro? Let me ask you this, has anything unlikely to happen in your life wound up happening?"
*OBJECTION YOUR HONOR! NEITHER HERE NOR THERE!*
JUDGE: Overruled. I'd like to see where this is going. I'll allow it.
Thank you. Answer the question please.
*shaking head frustratingly* "Uhh, yeah, I suppose it has."
So unlikely things sometimes happen. And you're willing to sit here and testify, under oath, that with CERTAINTY, you smelled alcohol 'coming from his breath,' though you've admitted now that it's possible, though unlikely, that it could have been from spilled alcohol? IS THAT CORRECT?
"I don't know, ..fuckin... I guess. Whatever."
That's what I thought. No further questions. THANK YOU
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2017-09-01 at 8:18 PM UTCif a cop here wants to search you without reasonable cause, there go to excuse is 'i can smell cannabis'. they say that because they know full well it can neither be proved nor disproved in a court at a later date. the cop can justify it simply by saying 'maybe i was mistaken but i thought i could smell cannabis at the time'.
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2017-09-01 at 8:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL Halfway houses are funny to watch when they are all quietly sitting in the living room watching a movie one night, and three or four bull screws walk into the room suddenly, and you get one guy jumping out of his chair and bouncing off the walls and ceilings to get away. Classic shit.
sometimes i wonder what the fuck goes through your mind to make you come out with this shit spectral
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