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2017-07-09 at 11:54 PM UTCEquations on my blockThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-07-09 at 11:57 PM UTC
Originally posted by sploo literally every single person who takes tests on that website. and the norms are still statistically valid. what this means is that people without training would score lower than their real iq score, and people with training would score similar to how they score on psychologist administered tests. this means that the tests are extremely hard and it is actually an imperative to have taken a lot of iq tests before. this is how the site is able to eliminate the practice effect. it has a tendency to DEFLATE rather than INFLATE scores, so for a person to get a non-deflated score, they would have to take many tests. the reason this is still valid is because many of the people who provided correlations to psychologist-administered tests did so before any intelligence testing whatsoever. so their original test scores are correlated to their trained test scores, leading to a deflated norm that can provide unrealistically low iq scores but cannot provide unrealistically high scores, which is much better.
my point is, even if a person practiced indefinitely, there is a maximum performance level attainable by that individual. more intelligent people will have a higher maximum performance. because my maximum score is 160 doesn't mean my true IQ is 160, it means it's within a maximum of 15-20 points of 160, because a person can only train so much before reaching a bottleneck, meaning a "real" IQ of at least 140 or 145, which is still probably higher than yours
like, look at this test: http://media.iqlati.net/2017/06/EMC-30R.pdf
it would be literally impossible for someone who isnt acquainted with iq testing to get a valid score on something this hard. you're recommended to spend 10 to 15 hours solving this one test. isn't that enough time for a full degree of practice effect to be completed? my score was 18/30, 149 sd15 on this one and i only spent 2-3 hours. notice how the mean IQ in the norm is 146.8 http://iqlati.net/emc-30r/ the reason for this is because regular people are far less likely to dedicate time to exploring and utilizing their full spectrum of capabilities to solve abstract and difficult problems, which is exactly what i've done and that you've been criticizing me for.
Post last edited by sploo at 2017-07-09T23:41:06.162661+00:00
SPLOO!, I already wrote how to resolve this once and for all. Make a thread somewhere, and include my criticisms.
Unless you're afraid of being proven wrong, because you may be aware that you are going to be exposed to multiple people who are highly intelligent and knowledgeable about psychometrics and IQ tests and have to debate multiple criticisms. It's far easier to remain here where only one person, who hasn't even had much of an interest in psychometrics in years, read material on the subject, is debating you. I am not expert, you need to ask one to be certain, or at least someone with an amateur interest/hobby who's attained a very high level through independent study.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-07-09 at 11:57 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Lol, you've never even done mathematics, probably couldn't even produce a meaningful definition for it on the spot. Not that it's your fault, being a product of American primary and secondary education, but you should at least realize that your exposure to the field is, uhhh, not really representative of the field proper. And of course it doesn't change anything about your criticisms of mathematics in school, but again, sort of a strawman if you intended it as a critique of mathematics per se. Also the stats comment is kinda comic. Lockhart wrote a famous paper on this I think you might like: https://www.maa.org/external_archive/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf
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2017-07-09 at 11:59 PM UTC
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2017-07-10 at 12 AM UTC
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2017-07-10 at 12:02 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice multiple people who are highly intelligent and knowledgeable about psychometrics and IQ tests
literally almost no one, the people who are knowledgeable about this extremely niche subject are the ones who play a part in the development of it. consider the fact that the psychometrics center of the university of cambridge is associated with the site and would back pretty much everything i've described to you -
2017-07-10 at 12:02 AM UTC
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2017-07-10 at 12:05 AM UTC
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2017-07-10 at 12:15 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Lol, you've never even done mathematics, probably couldn't even produce a meaningful definition for it on the spot. Not that it's your fault, being a product of American primary and secondary education, but you should at least realize that your exposure to the field is, uhhh, not really representative of the field proper. And of course it doesn't change anything about your criticisms of mathematics in school, but again, sort of a strawman if you intended it as a critique of mathematics per se. Also the stats comment is kinda comic. Lockhart wrote a famous paper on this I think you might like: https://www.maa.org/external_archive/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf
Lanny, you were probably the kind of kid who had his parents buy him books of math problems that he solved for fun. You're a fucking computer science major that's genuinely passionate about it, has had a strong interest since a teenager, and didn't choose the major or occupation for the money (Well, I mean, you have stated that you work for an industry you described as essentially being Satan, but you know what I mean.).
You are not normal. You should know that the vast majority of people aren't like you. And that's fine, of course I'm even more abnormal in my own way.
To be perfectly clear, I was not criticizing mathematics itself. Of course I understand its immense value, the numerous profound contributions and effects it's had on society! Anyone who isn't an idiot should have grasped the extent of this. I can even understand the immense beauty of it, the joy others find in the field, the fascination, sense of wonder.
You're absolutely right, no, I could not produce a meaningful definition on the spot. The thing is, I haven't decided to build my social identity on being a pseudo-intellectual who hopes to be endearing and is profoundly insecure about his own intelligence and knowledge, his competence and skills, and how others perceive, particularly due to the social environment of the segments of san Francisco that he's involved in, how his peers are generally all highly intelligent, knowledgeable, and skilled as well, many far beyond his level, and he finds it painfully difficult to give the impression, have others perceive him, as being a person who consistently has the conversational skills and personality traits (Without alcohol, particularly around people he doesn't know, effect augmented if the environment is unknown as well: Awkward, quiet, introverted, soft spoken) to produce engaging dialogue, to say things that are substantial and interesting while speaking on important matters, especially considering that for the vast majority of people computer science and what you do at work are not interesting subjects in the slightest, rendering your occupation and primary field of study, your main interest that you majored in, impotent.
Ultimately, I have absolutely no interest in working in any field, in devoting part of my life occupationally or through independent efforts, to mathematics, to anything that would regularly involve the use of advanced mathematics (Don't assume what I mean by "advanced"). Everyone has different interests, things they want to specialize in.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-07-10 at 12:17 AM UTCmath is wrong iq tests are a lie autism is a superpower parnate is jesus save the white race oh me melancholy oh me poor loife
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2017-07-10 at 12:18 AM UTCDamn it's hot af in my city today. I feel my skin burning as soon as I step out the front door. It's even hotter when you're forced to wear long sleeves to cover up those fun but probably not so smart life decisions that happened over the weekend. At least it's only for a few days and not the entire summer like when I used to do H. I'm so glad I'm not a daily H shooter anymore. Looking back I don't even know why I kept up with it, I only felt satisfaction for a fraction amount of the time, besides those short lasted moments, life was pretty sucky. Not being able to find a vein, dealing with sketchy middlemen, trying to go to class & work while being sick. Thank god for suboxone, gabapentin, and Crouton. (wish i could stills core gabapentin).
A little bit of clear here and there isn't as damning as some might think. Wish I could go back to smoking it but that's not gonna happen. Why waste time in the clouds, when you could get straight to the point?
Hope everyone had a great weekend! Life isn't so bad, I think I'm pretty happy. (Let's hope I feel the same when my sack is empty & I'm feeling crappy).The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-07-10 at 12:18 AM UTC
Originally posted by What_a_Kreep Damn it's hot af in my city today. I feel my skin burning as soon as I step out the front door. It's even hotter when you're forced to wear long sleeves to cover up those fun but probably not so smart life decisions that happened over the weekend. At least it's only for a few days and not the entire summer like when I used to do H. I'm so glad I'm not a daily H shooter anymore. Looking back I don't even know why I kept up with it, I only felt satisfaction for a fraction amount of the time, besides those short lasted moments, life was pretty sucky. Not being able to find a vein, dealing with sketchy middlemen, trying to go to class & work while being sick. Thank god for suboxone, gabapentin, and Crouton. (wish i could stills core gabapentin).
A little bit of clear here and there isn't as damning as some might think. Wish I could go back to smoking it but that's not gonna happen. Why waste time in the clouds, when you could get straight to the point?
Hope everyone had a great weekend! Life isn't so bad, I think I'm pretty happy. (Let's hope I feel the same when my sack is empty & I'm feeling crappy).
hahaha did litemex get you addicted to heroin? true loveThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-07-10 at 12:23 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice SPLOO!, I already wrote how to resolve this once and for all. Make a thread somewhere, and include my criticisms.
Unless you're afraid of being proven wrong, because you may be aware that you are going to be exposed to multiple people who are highly intelligent and knowledgeable about psychometrics and IQ tests and have to debate multiple criticisms. It's far easier to remain here where only one person, who hasn't even had much of an interest in psychometrics in years, read material on the subject, is debating you. I am not expert, you need to ask one to be certain, or at least someone with an amateur interest/hobby who's attained a very high level through independent study.
Originally posted by Malice Lanny, you were probably the kind of kid who had his parents buy him books of math problems that he solved for fun. You're a fucking computer science major that's genuinely passionate about it, has had a strong interest since a teenager, and didn't choose the major or occupation for the money (Well, I mean, you have stated that you work for an industry you described as essentially being Satan, but you know what I mean.).
You are not normal. You should know that the vast majority of people aren't like you. And that's fine, of course I'm even more abnormal in my own way.
To be perfectly clear, I was not criticizing mathematics itself. Of course I understand its immense value, the numerous profound contributions and effects it's had on society! Anyone who isn't an idiot should have grasped the extent of this. I can even understand the immense beauty of it, the joy others find in the field, the fascination, sense of wonder.
You're absolutely right, no, I could not produce a meaningful definition on the spot. The thing is, I haven't decided to build my social identity on being a pseudo-intellectual who hopes to be endearing and is profoundly insecure about his own intelligence and knowledge, his competence and skills, and how others perceive, particularly due to the social environment of the segments of san Francisco that he's involved in, how his peers are generally all highly intelligent, knowledgeable, and skilled as well, many far beyond his level, and he finds it painfully difficult to give the impression, have others perceive him, as being a person who consistently has the conversational skills and personality traits (Without alcohol, particularly around people he doesn't know, effect augmented if the environment is unknown as well: Awkward, quiet, introverted, soft spoken) to produce engaging dialogue, to say things that are substantial and interesting while speaking on important matters, especially considering that for the vast majority of people computer science and what you do at work are not interesting subjects in the slightest, rendering your occupation and primary field of study, your main interest that you majored in, impotent.
Ultimately, I have absolutely no interest in working in any field, in devoting part of my life occupationally or through independent efforts, to mathematics, to anything that would regularly involve the use of advanced mathematics (Don't assume what I mean by "advanced"). Everyone has different interests, things they want to specialize in.
Originally posted by What_a_Kreep Damn it's hot af in my city today. I feel my skin burning as soon as I step out the front door. It's even hotter when you're forced to wear long sleeves to cover up those fun but probably not so smart life decisions that happened over the weekend. At least it's only for a few days and not the entire summer like when I used to do H. I'm so glad I'm not a daily H shooter anymore. Looking back I don't even know why I kept up with it, I only felt satisfaction for a fraction amount of the time, besides those short lasted moments, life was pretty sucky. Not being able to find a vein, dealing with sketchy middlemen, trying to go to class & work while being sick. Thank god for suboxone, gabapentin, and Crouton. (wish i could stills core gabapentin).
A little bit of clear here and there isn't as damning as some might think. Wish I could go back to smoking it but that's not gonna happen. Why waste time in the clouds, when you could get straight to the point?
Hope everyone had a great weekend! Life isn't so bad, I think I'm pretty happy. (Let's hope I feel the same when my sack is empty & I'm feeling crappy).
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2017-07-10 at 12:23 AM UTCBTW, how would you describe the qualities the penultimate paragraph presents about me? Don't just say I'm an asshole or anything like that, I already know, I'm not oblivious. I mean, do I seem unusually good at deconstructing people? Criticizing them, knowing just what to say if I wanted to hurt them as much (This isn't close to maximum, of course. It's not as if I have no variation and it's simply a binary alteration in behavior.) as possible, evoke negative emotions?
I'm fully aware that you aren't actually hurt by this or really bothered, and I don't expect you to be. You have to keep in mind that you've known me and have grown desensitized and adjusted to me, have a better understanding of me, which alter your perception and interpretation of what I write, your response to it. The totse community has also had a strong tendency to draw people with certain traits, which strongly affect this. You've been on the dark side of the internet for too much of your life. You've said yourself that you have to have pretty thick skin to deal with me.
Normal people aren't like this. Especially IRL, where almost no one actually behaves like this and is willing to say things like this.
Just curious. Umm, I'm not sure why, if I ever did have a motivation in mind. I don't know, I guess I just want to know how others may gauge this quality of mine, this ability/skill. -
2017-07-10 at 12:25 AM UTCit makes it sound like you're completely obsessed with your own thought process and stream of thoughts with no ability to abbreviate your ideas into a socially consumable way
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2017-07-10 at 12:29 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice BTW, how would you describe the qualities the penultimate paragraph presents about me? Don't just say I'm an asshole or anything like that, I already know, I'm not oblivious. I mean, do I seem unusually good at deconstructing people? Criticizing them, knowing just what to say if I wanted to hurt them as much (This isn't close to maximum, of course. It's not as if I have no variation and it's simply a binary alteration in behavior.) as possible, evoke negative emotions?
I'm fully aware that you aren't actually hurt by this or really bothered, and I don't expect you to be. You have to keep in mind that you've known me and have grown desensitized and adjusted to me, have a better understanding of me, which alter your perception and interpretation of what I write, your response to it. The totse community has also had a strong tendency to draw people with certain traits, which strongly affect this. You've been on the dark side of the internet for too much of your life. You've said yourself that you have to have pretty thick skin to deal with me.
Normal people aren't like this. Especially IRL, where almost no one actually behaves like this and is willing to say things like this.
Just curious. Umm, I'm not sure why, if I ever did have a motivation in mind. I don't know, I guess I just want to know how others may gauge this quality of mine, this ability/skill.
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2017-07-10 at 12:30 AM UTCOh, I forgot to add: Everything I said aside, is there anything specific about math you believe would be of value for me to learn/read that would be of considerable value to academic philosophy? I'm not sure if you were insinuating this or had it in mind. A specific subject in mathematics or whatever. If not philosophy, just for the value in general, possibly for rational analysis, to develop a better, more accurate, understanding of aspects of the world?
There could well be something I'm completely unaware of.
Oh, and we all know damn well STEM majors like you tend to be absolute fucking elitists when it comes to mathematics. Congratulations, you got to slog miserably for years. What a horrendously puritanical mentality, as if your suffering and the mere difficulty of a subject make you deserving of anything and superior to others. "I suffered and made it, so I earned it." I swear to god, your fucking species and its vast array of utterly idiotic and abhorrent social behaviors. This is the primary reason why I have wanted nothing to do with your kind IRL for such an extended period of time. -
2017-07-10 at 12:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice Lanny, you were probably the kind of kid who had his parents buy him books of math problems that he solved for fun. You're a fucking computer science major that's genuinely passionate about it, has had a strong interest since a teenager, and didn't choose the major or occupation for the money (Well, I mean, you have stated that you work for an industry you described as essentially being Satan, but you know what I mean.).
You are not normal. You should know that the vast majority of people aren't like you. And that's fine, of course I'm even more abnormal in my own way.
No, actually, your account of math courses during compulsory education was very familiar to me. It was boring, inconceivably tedious, to this day I don't have the "times table" memorized out of protest of the profound, soul crushing absurdity of memorizing a 10 by 10 table of products, it's a sick joke. I just think it's sad that you, along with the vast majority of students, will never even get to figure out if they like mathematics or not because they will never be exposed to it, having been forever traumatized by a sick parody of it. Read the paper, you'll like it, not heavy at all.You're absolutely right, no, I could not produce a meaningful definition on the spot. The thing is, I haven't decided to build my social identity on being a pseudo-intellectual who hopes to be endearing and is profoundly insecure about his own intelligence and knowledge, his competence and skills, and how others perceive, particularly due to the social environment of the segments of san Francisco that he's involved in, how his peers are generally all highly intelligent, knowledgeable, and skilled as well, many far beyond his level, and he finds it painfully difficult to give the impression, have others perceive him, as being a person who consistently has the conversational skills and personality traits (Without alcohol, particularly around people he doesn't know, effect augmented if the environment is unknown as well: Awkward, quiet, introverted, soft spoken) to produce engaging dialogue, to say things that are substantial and interesting while speaking on important matters, especially considering that for the vast majority of people computer science and what you do at work are not interesting subjects in the slightest, rendering your occupation and primary field of study, your main interest that you majored in, impotent.
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2017-07-10 at 12:41 AM UTCAll beer is good for is making you broke and passing out in your contacts. Maybe it was all the lyrica and klonopin on top of it... but I woke up and couldn't remember what I had done.
Hopefully no one ever finds out.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
