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2017-06-30 at 10:17 AM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ First off, I'm not an atheist.
Second off, "if the Bible is found to be reliable and true" means nothing regarding my questions.
It's not found to be reliable and true without blind faith.
Then what are you?
I used those words instead of accurate. They're basically the same right?
If you want an explanation of why the Bible is considered accurate, remind me and I'll PM you later. It's another long topic and I should get to bed soon. -
2017-06-30 at 10:21 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dargo Then what are you?
I used those words instead of accurate. They're basically the same right?
If you want an explanation of why the Bible is considered accurate, remind me and I'll PM you later. It's another long topic and I should get to bed soon.
I'm a theist m8.
I also believe that the Bible has some accuracy. Some. I would hope you believe as I do that some accuracy doesn't equate to entire accuracy, otherwise you'd believe Jurrasic Park was a complete accurate representation of dinosaurs. -
2017-06-30 at 10:27 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dargo Yes. God created everything. Answer me this as an atheist: If there is no God, why is there something rather than nothing?
That's simple. If your god could always have existed, why couldn't the energy or whatever ultimately led to the formation of the universe have always existed as well? It's a complete non-sequitur to believe that the mere existence of something rather than nothing requires the necessity of an all powerful being. -
2017-06-30 at 10:28 AM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ I'm a theist m8.
I also believe that the Bible has some accuracy. Some. I would hope you believe as I do that some accuracy doesn't equate to entire accuracy, otherwise you'd believe Jurrasic Park was a complete accurate representation of dinosaurs.
liek wat kind of theist
That's generally true about accuracy, but the Bible is an all or nothing book. Either it is inspired by God and 100% true, or not. Picking and choosing doesn't work. -
2017-06-30 at 10:30 AM UTCWhen it comes to religion ignorance is bliss, even debating it is a dead end. at least flat earthers can be entertaining.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-06-30 at 10:34 AM UTC
Originally posted by RestStop I had those years off now that I recalculate it. my mom would be 45, my dad 43. I'm not sure if that's even correct all I know is my father is 14 years older than me and my mom 16. I haven't spoken my mom in two months and my father last summer. I'm a shame to my entire family.
You should start writing thsee things on the wall at the rest stop.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-06-30 at 10:34 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice That's simple. If your god could always have existed, why couldn't the energy or whatever ultimately led to the formation of the universe have always existed as well?
"It is logically possible that the universe is eternal and therefore didn’t have a cause. In fact, it is one of only two possibilities: either the universe, or something outside the universe, is eternal. (Since something undeniably exists today, then something must have always existed; we have only two choices: the universe, or something that caused the universe.) The problem for the atheist is that while it is logically possible that the universe is eternal, it does not seem to be actually possible. For all the scientific and philosophical evidence tells us the universe cannot be eternal. So by ruling out one of the two options, we are left with the only other option—something outside the universe is eternal." -
2017-06-30 at 10:37 AM UTCOutside the universe would imply it's otherworldly...supernatural...but I suppose that's the point.
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2017-06-30 at 10:41 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dargo liek wat kind of theist
That's generally true about accuracy, but the Bible is an all or nothing book. Either it is inspired by God and 100% true, or not. Picking and choosing doesn't work.
I believe there may be a "God." A creator, if you will. Wherever this all stemmed from, that's the God I believe in. That's what type of theist I am. I just can't, and don't, any longer, presume to know what God did this.
I've mentioned before I was a devout Christian for 27 years. I advocated for God's existence many a time. I used to , in fact, go to shops on the street and literally bring up God, attempting to witness to potential non-believers, much like the Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses are known to do.
As a believer, and as the Bible REQUIRES, you are supposed to do that. And so I did, because I didn't want to be a fairweather believer. Why should I? I'm an all or nothing type and when my belief tells me to do something, I do it.
Anyway, what I'm getting at, is that I had a REALIZATION.
Setting aside my heavily written in, and highlighted, and beloved Bible, my entire childhood and adolescence raised to believe in Christianity, my belief that Jesus died for me and He/His Dad died for me so I can go to heaven ,the idea that no matter how bad things are, God is with me.
I had to stop lying to myself. I'm glad that I was able to shake myself from that mindfuck, and I would never had guessed it would happen in a million years.
The day came when I could no longer keep justifying my belief in Christianity, outside of blind faith- "I KNOW He's real, I have felt Him, I have EXPERIENCED Him."
It's far too convenient. -
2017-06-30 at 10:44 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dargo "It is logically possible that the universe is eternal and therefore didn’t have a cause. In fact, it is one of only two possibilities: either the universe, or something outside the universe, is eternal. (Since something undeniably exists today, then something must have always existed; we have only two choices: the universe, or something that caused the universe.) The problem for the atheist is that while it is logically possible that the universe is eternal, it does not seem to be actually possible. For all the scientific and philosophical evidence tells us the universe cannot be eternal. So by ruling out one of the two options, we are left with the only other option—something outside the universe is eternal."
That isn't true at all. The author is simply spouting false information. It's pretty much standard for the strongly religious to have a poorer understanding of science. -
2017-06-30 at 10:46 AM UTC
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2017-06-30 at 10:50 AM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ I believe there may be a "God." A creator, if you will. Wherever this all stemmed from, that's the God I believe in. That's what type of theist I am. I just can't, and don't, any longer, presume to know what God did this.
I've mentioned before I was a devout Christian for 27 years. I advocated for God's existence many a time. I used to , in fact, go to shops on the street and literally bring up God, attempting to witness to potential non-believers, much like the Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses are known to do.
As a believer, and as the Bible REQUIRES, you are supposed to do that. And so I did, because I didn't want to be a fairweather believer. Why should I? I'm an all or nothing type and when my belief tells me to do something, I do it.
Anyway, what I'm getting at, is that I had a REALIZATION.
Setting aside my heavily written in, and highlighted, and beloved Bible, my entire childhood and adolescence raised to believe in Christianity, my belief that Jesus died for me and He/His Dad died for me so I can go to heaven ,the idea that no matter how bad things are, God is with me.
I had to stop lying to myself. I'm glad that I was able to shake myself from that mindfuck, and I would never had guessed it would happen in a million years.
The day came when I could no longer keep justifying my belief in Christianity, outside of blind faith- "I KNOW He's real, I have felt Him, I have EXPERIENCED Him."
It's far too convenient.
Thanks for sharing.
I can definitely see where you'd run into problems if "I KNOW He's real, I have felt Him, I have EXPERIENCED Him." was your only basis for belief. I know I haven't given much explanation/evidence to something beyond blind faith, but I'm multitasking and now it's really fucking time to go to bed. I'd be happy to talk more about it later if you really want tho. Just remind me or I'll forget.
Oh, and fun fact, you won't lose your salvation because you've renounced your faith. You'll probably just be a little embarrassed when you get to heaven. -
2017-06-30 at 10:53 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice That isn't true at all. The author is simply spouting false information. It's pretty much standard for the strongly religious to have a poorer understanding of science.
Here's where it was pulled from in case you're wondering. You can try reading through it in between anime episodes if you get bored today. It's surprisingly scientific.
http://fbcweb.org/doctrines/SURGECOSMOS.htm -
2017-06-30 at 10:57 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dargo Thanks for sharing.
I can definitely see where you'd run into problems if "I KNOW He's real, I have felt Him, I have EXPERIENCED Him." was your only basis for belief. I know I haven't given much explanation/evidence to something beyond blind faith, but I'm multitasking and now it's really fucking time to go to bed. I'd be happy to talk more about it later if you really want tho. Just remind me or I'll forget.
Oh, and fun fact, you won't lose your salvation because you've renounced your faith. You'll probably just be a little embarrassed when you get to heaven.
Fine. Go to bed you FUCK. :)
'I know He's real' obviously wasn't my ONLY basis for belief.
You do realize, at some point, you are told what to believe, and you choose whether not to or not. Just like Santa Claus, you believe until someone tells you otherwise.
Why don't you believe in Santa?
I had A LOT of reasons to believe in God and my own pride was a significant role, but I could never shake the notion that I could be wrong.
As Mally said, how can you be so sure you're God is the one true one out of the thousands of religions? Are all these other people DELUSIONAL? Are they RETARDED? -
2017-07-11 at 3:58 AM UTCThere is God the one creator of all things and forces and dimension
There are Gods (forces) that clash with one another
Man is made in the image of the creator and creates. collectively we exist in God and God in us (as well as all things)
God has many names.
There are spiritual angels and physical angels and most of the physical angels are most likely fallen ones. and they may be shapeshifters. they maybe the ones from other planets we call aliens and most likely are.
in the past 100 years they have return and made deals with evil men to rule this planet while they terraform it
other fallen angels are not just from other star systems but from the hollow earth.
The Giant Red people living in California and Nevada and many other parts of the world were fallen angels who breed with Earthling women. They were only Males. and they created a mess of monsters and demons tormenting our ancestors until the very last of them seemed to have gone underground to another Earth's layer or killed off completely -
2017-07-11 at 5:53 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dargo Here's where it was pulled from in case you're wondering. You can try reading through it in between anime episodes if you get bored today. It's surprisingly scientific.
http://fbcweb.org/doctrines/SURGECOSMOS.htm
I like how the second law of thermodynamics is just unassailable metaphysical truth now, completely irrefutable, but we had to spend twenty years beating the religious right over the head with previously unheard of levels of evidence in all the history of science to get creationism out of schools.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-07-11 at 5:57 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny I like how the second law of thermodynamics is just unassailable metaphysical truth now, completely irrefutable, but we had to spend twenty years beating the religious right over the head with previously unheard of levels of evidence in all the history of science to get creationism out of schools.
I don't see how creationism must conflict with hard science. If anything, I'd say they complete one another. -
2017-07-11 at 5:59 AM UTC
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2017-07-11 at 6:02 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Well "the universe was created 6,000 years ago" doesn't really seem like "completing" scientific geological or biological history to me
Pfft. What, are you going to cite Carbon dating or some shit? Science has yet to realistically prove the earth is more than 6,000 years old. 400 billion my ass. -
2017-07-11 at 6:10 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dargo Pfft. What, are you going to cite Carbon dating or some shit? Science has yet to realistically prove the earth is more than 6,000 years old. 400 billion my ass.
Yeah, remember that double standard on what qualifies as sufficient scientific evidence I was talking about earlier? This is what I'm talking about.
