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In all seriousness though...
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2017-06-16 at 8:24 PM UTCIf we get an ignore feature, we can totally cut out worthless posters like Zip the RAR and Bill Krozby"dogs will never work" Bill Krozby. Inb4 scared badposters try to cry about the idea of an ignore function.
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2017-06-16 at 8:33 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ It's interesting because both sides are correct, in a way. If there isn't a viewpoint such as Falco is taking, then it does very much enable the depressee to remain depressed, getting affirmation from others that what they are experiencing is in fact impossible or extremely difficult to get out of, and thus making the choice to remain in the rut that much easier.
On the other hand, it's also frustrating from a depressed standpoint to hear the VERY TYPICAL, 'I know you're better than this, just SNAP OUT OF IT,' outlook. That's where, Falco, despite what seems obvious as your best intentions here, shit gets fuzzy, because the longer a person is unable to snap out of it (and that part has to do with the actual illness, the EXTREME difficulty), it makes a person feel even MORE worthless (why can't I snap out of it like Falco says?? I know I'm smart! Why can't I fucking do it?} and as it continues to not happen, it reinforces itself. It is very much a double edged sword.
I have always thought of treating depression like having to walk to the hospital with two broken legs. Once you get to the hospital it will get better, but you're goddamn legs are broken, and you HAVE TO WALK.
It's all very fucky, and that's all I have to say for now. :)
Listen I understand this. I get it. The problem is squarely with the fact that there is no utility in hugging on someone who has trapped themselves in depression. It just enables their shitty decision making. It's way more useful in every single way to make them aware that you're saying it from a place of love, but the way they're acting is no good. It's understandable, but it's wrong. The more people fees into the victim mentality, the less impetus they have to take command.
I am giving concrete options here; one of the most important aspects of beating depression is the feeling of command over your own life. There are lots of ways to do this. And one way you can help give the feeling of control to someone who is depressed, is to give them options.
In that video I linked, the biggest point IMO is creating specific, measurable, achievable, relevant and time-bound goals. The best way to help someone out of their rut is to give them achievable options that are within their grasp, and they are fully capable of beginning to achieve.
Ultimately, nobody can give you the magical pill of action, you're going to have to take action yourself. What I'm trying to do is lower the barrier to entry for HTS; part of what makes depression so crushing is that your lack of agency feels monolithic, you feel helpless because getting friends or whatever seems like a big, scary thing that you can't do because the end goal is so far away. I want to bring that down and give him the first steps he can take.
That's the best I can do, and it's the best anyone can do, and it's certainly way better than enabling their illness. -
2017-06-16 at 8:35 PM UTCWell stated, you big GONT.
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2017-06-16 at 8:48 PM UTCIn all seriousness though, HTS, why are you ignoring my advances? You know I'll treat you right
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2017-06-16 at 8:51 PM UTC
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2017-06-16 at 8:51 PM UTC
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2017-06-16 at 8:51 PM UTCI feel some taboo shit in my loins. Eellllllll it hurts!
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2017-06-16 at 8:52 PM UTClanny, you should come to confessional, it will help cleanse your soul. consider this an invitation.
https://niggasin.space/thread/12731
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2017-06-16 at 8:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ I have always thought of treating depression like having to walk to the hospital with two broken legs. Once you get to the hospital it will get better, but you're goddamn legs are broken, and you HAVE TO WALK.
That is a fucking apt description. Not to fear though, like Falco says I've got upper body strength; I can crawl.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-06-16 at 8:59 PM UTC
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2017-06-16 at 9:09 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-06-16 at 9:14 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ Just so long as we're on the same page. You've made your request. I have very kindly obliged, and you have refused to partake. In accordance with that, please refrain from making requests of which I can uphold and you cannot. Thank you.
what makes this all funny is that you're talking like you have some semblance of control in this situation.
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2017-06-16 at 9:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon Listen I understand this. I get it. The problem is squarely with the fact that there is no utility in hugging on someone who has trapped themselves in depression. It just enables their shitty decision making. It's way more useful in every single way to make them aware that you're saying it from a place of love, but the way they're acting is no good. It's understandable, but it's wrong. The more people fees into the victim mentality, the less impetus they have to take command.
I am giving concrete options here; one of the most important aspects of beating depression is the feeling of command over your own life. There are lots of ways to do this. And one way you can help give the feeling of control to someone who is depressed, is to give them options.
In that video I linked, the biggest point IMO is creating specific, measurable, achievable, relevant and time-bound goals. The best way to help someone out of their rut is to give them achievable options that are within their grasp, and they are fully capable of beginning to achieve.
Ultimately, nobody can give you the magical pill of action, you're going to have to take action yourself. What I'm trying to do is lower the barrier to entry for HTS; part of what makes depression so crushing is that your lack of agency feels monolithic, you feel helpless because getting friends or whatever seems like a big, scary thing that you can't do because the end goal is so far away. I want to bring that down and give him the first steps he can take.
That's the best I can do, and it's the best anyone can do, and it's certainly way better than enabling their illness.
I'm fighting tooth and nail to pull myself out of a depressive episode, and this really hit a positive note with where my recovery is at. Legit, thank you, nigga. -
2017-06-16 at 9:45 PM UTCsee^ fucking cured, that's all it took. i think my nigga's just invented the cure for depression.
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2017-06-17 at 2:31 AM UTCAlso, why do people keep calling me Falco? I don't mind because he's a cool character too but I just wonder. I know mmQ was the one who started it.
