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Updating Chinese Traditional Medicine for the Modern World with evidence based research

  1. #21
    Ghost Black Hole
    Originally posted by EduCaTional CATastropHE Also there's so obviously a vested interest in using the domestic version lol this has done nothing to sway my opinion

    The market doesn't care about your opinion. It can be swayed with simple economic forces like cheaper and simpler production methods
  2. #22
    EduCaTional CATastropHE African Astronaut
    Originally posted by Ghost Modern manufacturing methods lack the ability to produce perfect synthetic or extraction of products found in nature. Pure compounds are easy to make cheap but making a complex matrix that matches a natural product exactly either synthetically or bio synthetically is a highly specialized profitable industry that's not nearly as competitive as pure isolated pharmaceutical products as these are almost entirely unresearched avenues with little interest.

    The TCM industry doesn't want to invest in something difficult and expensive. because they aren't white. They would rather torture animals for easy money

    What

    Why would someone pay a fuckton of money for an expensive extract that matches a natural plant composition profile exactly when they could just get the plant itself for way cheaper. That is the whitest thing I've ever heard of
  3. #23
    EduCaTional CATastropHE African Astronaut
    Originally posted by Ghost The market doesn't care about your opinion. It can be swayed with simple economic forces like cheaper and simpler production methods

    There are always entities who don't care about others opinions on every subject. Is the point of this thread the market though or did you just throw that in there arbitrarily
  4. #24
    RIPtotse victim of incest [my adversative decurved garbo]
    It's legit.

    So is everything else, ritual Magick, demonology, astrology, idol worship, acupuncture, all of that shit it all promotes overall health which includes spiritual health, mental health, physical health.

    Everything you do has a physical and spiritual impact on the world, some being more powerful than others, but everything from what you think, to smell, to taste, to hear, to interact with, to touch, alllll has a giant impact on your life most notably, but the world around you also.

    With that being said moderation is key in anything.
  5. #25
    RIPtotse victim of incest [my adversative decurved garbo]
    There is no matter, everything is enegery. Explain to me how the model of an atom with all its empty space [electrons, neutrons, protons, neucles]. Those tiny microscopic particles only take up like some percentage of space in an atom. How in the fuck does something with more unoccupied space than occupied space become 'the building blocks for matter'? The fuck outta here

    The quote icke always used was like a baseball would be the 'occupied space' in an atom if the entire fucking stadium was the entirety of the atom

    The fuck bro?

    It's energy, not matter. We just perceive the slight movements of individual atoms with our hardware brain and the software knowledge we've been genetically programmed to have.

    We only see 0.005% of visible light in the known universe. The amount of shit happening around you at all times unbeknownst to you is incredible. My latest queries are: does the actions of these non visible light 'entities' or how 'different planes of existence' from your own effect your personal life. Like does distance matter? Relationships? Ability to perceive such interactions?
  6. #26
    Ghost Black Hole
    Originally posted by EduCaTional CATastropHE What

    Why would someone pay a fuckton of money for an expensive extract that matches a natural plant composition profile exactly when they could just get the plant itself for way cheaper. That is the whitest thing I've ever heard of
    a lot of them are animal tissue based. Just grow the animal tissue in a lab, much cheaper. The plants are fine as plants but usually biosynthetic methods turn out to be better just based on cost alone.

    ex. ergot based drugs would be completely retarded to not produce biosynthetically, you would need entire fields of moldy grass to get minimum product vs growing it in a vat for maximum yield.
    https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/aem.00373-20
    Genomic sequence data indicate that certain fungi in the genus Metarhizium have the capacity to produce lysergic acid-derived ergot alkaloids, but accumulation of ergot alkaloids in these fungi has not been demonstrated previously. We assayed several Metarhizium species grown under different conditions for accumulation of ergot alkaloids. Isolates of M. brunneum and M. anisopliae accumulated the lysergic acid amides lysergic acid α-hydroxyethyl amide, ergine, and ergonovine on sucrose-yeast extract agar but not on two other tested media. Isolates of six other Metarhizium species did not accumulate ergot alkaloids on sucrose-yeast extract agar. Conidia of M. brunneum lacked detectable ergot alkaloids, and mycelia of this fungus secreted over 80% of their ergot alkaloid yield into the culture medium. Isolates of M. brunneum, M. flavoviride, M. robertsii, M. acridum, and M. anisopliae produced high concentrations of ergot alkaloids in infected larvae of the model insect Galleria mellonella, but larvae infected with M. pingshaense, M. album, M. majus, and M. guizhouense lacked detectable ergot alkaloids. Alkaloid concentrations were significantly higher when insects were alive (as opposed to killed by freezing or gas) at the time of inoculation with M. brunneum. Roots of corn and beans were inoculated with M. brunneum or M. flavoviride and global metabolomic analyses indicated that the inoculated roots were colonized, though no ergot alkaloids were detected. The data demonstrate that several Metarhizium species produce ergot alkaloids of the lysergic acid amide class and that production of ergot alkaloids is tightly regulated and associated with insect colonization.
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  7. #27
    EduCaTional CATastropHE African Astronaut
    Originally posted by RIPtotse There is no matter, everything is enegery. Explain to me how the model of an atom with all its empty space [electrons, neutrons, protons, neucles]. Those tiny microscopic particles only take up like some percentage of space in an atom. How in the fuck does something with more unoccupied space than occupied space become 'the building blocks for matter'? The fuck outta here

    The quote icke always used was like a baseball would be the 'occupied space' in an atom if the entire fucking stadium was the entirety of the atom

    The fuck bro?

    It's energy, not matter. We just perceive the slight movements of individual atoms with our hardware brain and the software knowledge we've been genetically programmed to have.

    We only see 0.005% of visible light in the known universe. The amount of shit happening around you at all times unbeknownst to you is incredible. My latest queries are: does the actions of these non visible light 'entities' or how 'different planes of existence' from your own effect your personal life. Like does distance matter? Relationships? Ability to perceive such interactions?

    So because an atom is not as dense as youd think when observing on a scale way smaller than anything you'd ever be able to sense, that means matter doesn't exist? Seems like you're putting arbitrary definitions to the terms and then using those definitions to come to a conclusion.

    Also there's charges which attract and repel. If everything was maximally dense nothing would work. Every atom would be the same and physics, chemistry, etc would not be things. At least not anything like they are now.

    Also bohrs model is hella outdated anyways and all models are wrong, just some are useful. But the electron cloud quantum model is more accurate and might better explain why all that empty space doesn't really matter like it seems it might.

    As far as your questions I'm probably the least qualified person on the planet to answer that. It SEEMS like thats the case but that alone means just about nothing
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  8. #28
    EduCaTional CATastropHE African Astronaut
    Originally posted by Ghost a lot of them are animal tissue based. Just grow the animal tissue in a lab, much cheaper. The plants are fine as plants but usually biosynthetic methods turn out to be better just based on cost alone.

    ex. ergot based drugs would be completely retarded to not produce biosynthetically, you would need entire fields of moldy grass to get minimum product vs growing it in a vat for maximum yield.
    https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/aem.00373-20

    I mean you're still just growing it though. Just changed the location is all. That's interesting about the ergot though
  9. #29
    RIPtotse victim of incest [my adversative decurved garbo]
    Originally posted by EduCaTional CATastropHE So because an atom is not as dense as youd think when observing on a scale way smaller than anything you'd ever be able to sense, that means matter doesn't exist? Seems like you're putting arbitrary definitions to the terms and then using those definitions to come to a conclusion.

    Also there's charges which attract and repel. If everything was maximally dense nothing would work. Every atom would be the same and physics, chemistry, etc would not be things. At least not anything like they are now.

    Also bohrs model is hella outdated anyways and all models are wrong, just some are useful. But the electron cloud quantum model is more accurate and might better explain why all that empty space doesn't really matter like it seems it might.

    As far as your questions I'm probably the least qualified person on the planet to answer that. It SEEMS like thats the case but that alone means just about nothing

    I feel that and I'm retarded and admit it

    But

    Yah idk

    But I am gonna look up this electron cloud quantum model. I mean what I'm saying though is just because an atom is mostly negative.space this doesn't mean our brains and hsrdware/software built in our DNA basically, might cause us to perceive these things as solid or gaseous or whatever other form of the atom were talking about..I'm not saying this IS true but I'm saying it seems like.a.great theory coupled with the fact that humans are believed to only be able.to perceive 0.005% of visible light aka everything we see because light in its base form is what our eyes decode to create images.
  10. #30
    Charles Ex Machina African Astronaut
    Originally posted by EduCaTional CATastropHE Nothing you typed contradicts anything I said lol.

    it disproved your claim that there wasnt any research with TCM in its entirely.
  11. #31
    Ghost Black Hole
    she just like me fr fr

  12. #32
    EduCaTional CATastropHE African Astronaut
    Originally posted by Charles Ex Machina it disproved your claim that there wasnt any research with TCM in its entirely.

    Are u sure that doesn't sound like something id say but idk

    Originally posted by RIPtotse I feel that and I'm retarded and admit it

    But

    Yah idk

    But I am gonna look up this electron cloud quantum model. I mean what I'm saying though is just because an atom is mostly negative.space this doesn't mean our brains and hsrdware/software built in our DNA basically, might cause us to perceive these things as solid or gaseous or whatever other form of the atom were talking about..I'm not saying this IS true but I'm saying it seems like.a.great theory coupled with the fact that humans are believed to only be able.to perceive 0.005% of visible light aka everything we see because light in its base form is what our eyes decode to create images.

    It just sounds fancy trust me. Any idiot can charge a phone and that shit requires all kinds of force fields and imaginary number systems and shit so it's kind of like that
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  13. #33
    Ghost Black Hole
    I prescribe you all 2 doses of dried human placenta
  14. #34
    EduCaTional CATastropHE African Astronaut
    ..where do I get that filled
  15. #35
    Ghost Black Hole
    in ur ass faget
  16. #36
    infinityshock Black Hole
    Originally posted by Ghost I have little to no understanding of traditional chinese medicine but I have noticed some similarities like their use of certain oils to treat things like tooth pain and that can be proven with evidence based research. So it can't all be bullshit, right?

    There is something like 13,000 different medicines in the entire Chinese Traditional Medicine textbooks. A lot of these are considered holistic pseudoscience with zero evidence that they do anything, yet they remain profitable for unlicensed producers to sell to the market which demands them.

    This is different than "big pharma" which is highly regulated every step of the process. This is also a BILLION dollar industry entirely held up by rural chinese farmer "mom and pop meth lab" cooks that farm bear bile and bird nests for medicinal purposes.

    I believe these manufacturers are just as corrupt as "big pharma" despite these differences and the reason their medicine has no evidence or RESEARCH is the same reasons western medicine isn't perfect, it's because they make more money keeping you sick and treating you forever. A cured patient is a customer lost forever.

    this is my plan to update and enhance traditional chinese medicine



    I believe the Chinese have overlooked a lot of potential traditional medicine avenues like essential oils, microdosing and other such things.
    Can I crack the secrets of TCM? (Traditional Chinese Medicine) They don't even know about stuff like ergot grasses so I think it's possible

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  17. #37
    Ghost Black Hole
    Originally posted by infinityshock - brought to you by pfizer

    Big Pharma has been trying to silence me for years

    Originally posted by Ghost I don't buy the big pharma model of addiction theory


    Originally posted by Ghost BIG PHARMA IS ALWAYS RIGHT TRUST THE SCIENCE is the same brainwash used by big pharma to keep americans hooked on drugs that make them wig out and do rooty tooties

    http://www.bigskywords.com/montana-blog/does-teen-antidepressant-use-cause-more-school-shootings


  18. #38
    RIPtotse victim of incest [my adversative decurved garbo]
    Originally posted by EduCaTional CATastropHE Are u sure that doesn't sound like something id say but idk



    It just sounds fancy trust me. Any idiot can charge a phone and that shit requires all kinds of force fields and imaginary number systems and shit so it's kind of like that

    I agree with that. The dropping a nuclear reactor in the middle.ages and watching everyone die effect. Right
  19. #39
    Originally posted by Instigator My cock grew when I put tiger balm on it.

    I wonder what would happen if you put elephant balm on it.
  20. #40
    Ghost Black Hole
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