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2023-11-23 at 4:41 PM UTCyeah that's what I mean, the Arabs have more to gain from a combat pause and false flagging a violation is a typically j'ewish thing to do.
we'll know it's them if it's totally ridiculous, because as they've demonstrated they cannot make up (or do) war crimes that aren't absolutely insane -
2023-11-23 at 4:53 PM UTC
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2023-11-24 at 7:18 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra it appears as though israel is almost completely blind in the north now; Hez is attacking 20+ targets a day with 'rockets' that are basically just a big 8 tonne tube of explosives and the IDF has not been able to step up counter battery fire. apparently the israeli Health Authority reported almost 1500 wounded soldiers being treated up at Haifa 10 days ago.
Hez have started using anti-air and shooting down israeli drones over the last week or so, which further exacerbates the problem. I don't know what specific complexes they're using for this, but PANTSIRs are specifically designed to counter drones and lower-cost weapons that the bigger SAMs don't want to waste expensive munitions on.
as a testament to the confusion, the IDF managed to shoot down one of its own drones patrolling the northern border.
hez posted this on the 22/11.
the 354 killed is likely true if the israeli statement that they've taken 1500 or so wounded in the north is, typically the killed to wounded ratio is 1:3-4 in modern warfare -
2023-11-24 at 1:26 PM UTC
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2023-11-24 at 1:53 PM UTC
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2023-11-24 at 2:07 PM UTC
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2023-11-24 at 3:13 PM UTCI wonder if there is some simple and cheap (like $50) mechanical upgrade someone could design for Qassam rockets to make them reasonably precise.
I don't mean GPS and electronic guidance, I literally mean some kind of purely mechanical upgrade that could maybe make them fly in a highly predictable arc, to the point where they could be aimed somewhat precisely with just the help of a paper map and a compass for the heading + the addition of angle of elevation markers and adjustment hinges on their ghetto ass launch "frames" to set the range. -
2023-11-24 at 3:17 PM UTCMaybe such a rocket could be used as a cheap way to airdrop supplies to remote locations, such as releasing parachute payloads on a timer, and a simple way to determine the right timing based on whatever firing solution is used.
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2023-11-24 at 3:24 PM UTC
Originally posted by Loing I wonder if there is some simple and cheap (like $50) mechanical upgrade someone could design for Qassam rockets to make them reasonably precise.
I don't mean GPS and electronic guidance, I literally mean some kind of purely mechanical upgrade that could maybe make them fly in a highly predictable arc, to the point where they could be aimed somewhat precisely with just the help of a paper map and a compass for the heading + the addition of angle of elevation markers and adjustment hinges on their ghetto ass launch "frames" to set the range.
inertial guidance, it's cheaper and less accurate than satellite/contouring/laser etc. but it's still pretty expensive for cheap rockets -
2023-11-24 at 3:57 PM UTC
Originally posted by Loing Maybe such a rocket could be used as a cheap way to airdrop supplies to remote locations, such as releasing parachute payloads on a timer, and a simple way to determine the right timing based on whatever firing solution is used.
Originally posted by Loing I wonder if there is some simple and cheap (like $50) mechanical upgrade someone could design for Qassam rockets to make them reasonably precise.
I don't mean GPS and electronic guidance, I literally mean some kind of purely mechanical upgrade that could maybe make them fly in a highly predictable arc, to the point where they could be aimed somewhat precisely with just the help of a paper map and a compass for the heading + the addition of angle of elevation markers and adjustment hinges on their ghetto ass launch "frames" to set the range.
yes...they used them during WW2 in kamikazi planes.
theyre called 'pilots' -
2023-11-24 at 4:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra inertial guidance, it's cheaper and less accurate than satellite/contouring/laser etc. but it's still pretty expensive for cheap rockets
by 'cheaper' its still going to be at least $1,000USD for the cheapest guidance package that is going to be more accurate than the launch-and-pray guidance system they use now -
2023-11-24 at 4:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra inertial guidance, it's cheaper and less accurate than satellite/contouring/laser etc. but it's still pretty expensive for cheap rockets
Inertial guidance is still highly electronic, reliant on gyros and accelerometers. That's why I'm emphasizing simple and mechanical.
Qassam are just artillery, it seems like it would be simplest to just figure out a way to make them follow a more predictable ballistic trajectory, like a mortar. -
2023-11-24 at 4:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by Loing Inertial guidance is still highly electronic, reliant on gyros and accelerometers. That's why I'm emphasizing simple and mechanical.
Qassam are just artillery, it seems like it would be simplest to just figure out a way to make them follow a more predictable ballistic trajectory, like a mortar.
when it comes down to price the best choice is probably using more stable/consistent propellants but I don't know what they have access to -
2023-11-24 at 5:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by Loing Inertial guidance is still highly electronic, reliant on gyros and accelerometers. That's why I'm emphasizing simple and mechanical.
Qassam are just artillery, it seems like it would be simplest to just figure out a way to make them follow a more predictable ballistic trajectory, like a mortar.
there is no such thing as a simple and mechanical guidance system that is more accurate than the techniques they use now. the closest to your selection and the most accurate/cheapest one was used by germany in WW2 on their V-missiles.
it is cheaper to use the launch-and-pray guidance system they use now where they saturate a target with low-accuracy missiles in the hopes that one of them hit the actual target -
2023-11-24 at 5:34 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra when it comes down to price the best choice is probably using more stable/consistent propellants but I don't know what they have access to
more critical is the 'jets'...the nozzles...that guide the flow of exhaust gasses.
none of this applies to the 'real' missiles that are supplied by iran, north korea, or syria that have actual guidance avionics...the garage-built rockets dont count due to how cheap they are to make -
2023-11-24 at 8:16 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra hez posted this on the 22/11.
the 354 killed is likely true if the israeli statement that they've taken 1500 or so wounded in the north is, typically the killed to wounded ratio is 1:3-4 in modern warfare
you're basing this off of Israel claim of 1500 Hamas so 350 for Israeli wounded/deaths?
you mean the average is 3 to 1 of the stronger against the weaker armed?
what is it in Ukraine? -
2023-11-24 at 8:42 PM UTC
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2023-11-25 at 1:44 AM UTCAsked Chat GayPoopTit to design one:
Designing a novel mechanical device to improve the trajectory and accuracy of low-tech delivery rockets is a challenging but fascinating task. Considering the constraints and the need for simplicity, I propose a device that I'll call the "Magnetic-Gyro Stabilizer." This device would combine the principles of gyroscopic stabilization with magnetic orientation to enhance the rocket's stability and directional consistency. Here's a conceptual design:
### Magnetic-Gyro Stabilizer for Delivery Rockets
**1. Basic Components:**
- **Gyroscopic Stabilizer**: A mechanical gyroscopic unit at the core of the device, which helps maintain the rocket's orientation and stability during flight.
- **Magnetic Orientation System**: A simple compass mechanism linked to the gyroscopic stabilizer, which aligns the rocket with Earth's magnetic field, providing a basic directional guide.
- **Mechanical Linkages**: Connects the gyroscopic stabilizer to the rocket’s control surfaces (fins).
**2. How It Works:**
- **Pre-Launch Alignment**: Before launch, the rocket is aligned with its intended direction using a conventional compass. The gyroscopic stabilizer is then activated to maintain this orientation.
- **During Flight**:
- The gyroscopic stabilizer resists changes in orientation, helping to keep the rocket on a steady path.
- The magnetic orientation system subtly adjusts the rocket's fins to keep aligned with the Earth's magnetic field in the desired direction of travel.
- This system doesn’t actively navigate but helps in maintaining a consistent initial trajectory.
**3. Advantages:**
- **Simplicity**: The system relies on basic mechanical principles, avoiding complex electronics.
- **Reliability**: Gyroscopes and magnetic compasses are proven, reliable technologies.
- **Cost-Effectiveness**: Both gyroscopes and compasses can be manufactured at relatively low costs.
**4. Limitations:**
- **Magnetic Interference**: The effectiveness of the compass could be compromised in areas with strong magnetic interference.
- **Fixed Trajectory**: The system would not allow for mid-course corrections; it's designed to keep the rocket on a consistent initial path.
**5. Safety and Deployment Mechanism:**
- A simple mechanical timer can be incorporated to trigger the deployment of parachutes for payload delivery, ensuring that supplies are released at the approximate intended area.
### Implementation Considerations
- **Testing and Calibration**: Extensive testing would be needed to calibrate the gyroscopic stabilizer and magnetic orientation system for different rocket designs and flight conditions.
- **Environmental Factors**: Adjustments might be necessary for different geographic locations due to variations in Earth's magnetic field.
- **Payload Integration**: The design must accommodate the weight and balance implications of the payload.
This "Magnetic-Gyro Stabilizer" concept provides a novel, low-tech approach to enhance the directional stability of simple delivery rockets. While it wouldn’t rival the precision of advanced guidance systems, it could be a step towards more predictable flight paths for basic rocket designs used in scenarios where high-tech solutions are impractical or too costly. -
2023-11-25 at 1:48 AM UTC
To create an effective "Magnetic-Gyro Stabilizer" system for a delivery rocket, we need to integrate the gyroscopic stabilizer, the compass, and the rocket's control fins in a manner that allows them to work in unison. Here's a conceptual approach to achieve this linkage:
### Integration of Gyroscope, Compass, and Fins
**1. Gyroscopic Stabilizer:**
- The gyroscopic stabilizer consists of a spinning wheel mounted on gimbals, allowing it to maintain its orientation irrespective of the rocket’s movement. This setup inherently resists changes in the rocket's orientation, thus providing stability.
**2. Magnetic Compass:**
- A simple mechanical compass is integrated with the gyroscopic stabilizer. This compass is not for active navigation but serves as a reference point to maintain the initial heading.
**3. Mechanical Linkages to Control Fins:**
- **Initial Alignment**: Before launch, the rocket is aligned with its target. The compass points in this direction, and the gyroscopic stabilizer is set to maintain this orientation.
- **Linkage Mechanism**: Mechanical linkages connect the gyroscopic stabilizer and the compass to the rocket's control fins. These linkages are designed to translate the orientation of the gyroscopic stabilizer into corresponding adjustments of the fins.
- **Operational Dynamics**: During flight, if the rocket begins to deviate from its intended path (as detected by changes in the orientation of the gyroscopic stabilizer), the mechanical linkages will adjust the fins to counteract this deviation, thus realigning the rocket with its initial heading.
- **Compass Interaction**: The compass provides a constant reference to ensure the gyroscopic stabilizer is maintaining the correct heading. If there’s a discrepancy (like a significant change in direction due to wind), the compass can signal a correction through the linkages, adjusting the fins to realign with the initial magnetic heading.
**4. Feedback System:**
- This system essentially operates on a feedback loop. Any deviation in the rocket's orientation results in immediate fin adjustments to correct the trajectory. The gyroscope maintains stability, and the compass ensures directional fidelity.
### Additional Considerations:
- **Sensitivity and Damping**: The linkage mechanism needs to be finely tuned to be responsive enough to correct deviations without overcorrecting, which could lead to instability.
- **Reliability**: The system should be robust and capable of withstanding the stresses of launch and flight.
- **Simplicity**: Keeping the design as simple as possible is key to ensuring reliability and cost-effectiveness.
This design is a conceptual approach to improving the stability and accuracy of simple, unguided rockets using mechanical means. It balances the need for simplicity with the goal of achieving a more predictable flight path, albeit with the limitations inherent in such a low-tech approach.
Yea something like this basically, you could missile anything anywhere pretty reliably in a manner such as this, but I guess it's effectiveness would rely on the specific design of the device. -
2023-11-25 at 2:53 AM UTC
Originally posted by Niggles you're basing this off of Israel claim of 1500 Hamas so 350 for Israeli wounded/deaths?
you mean the average is 3 to 1 of the stronger against the weaker armed?
what is it in Ukraine?
no, read the other post
israel's health ministry reported that around 1500 soldiers were being treated in Haifa (2 weeks ago) due to fighting in the north
if we assume that 1500 injured is accurate, and that there's generally a ratio of 1:4 killed to injured, then Hez's claim of killing 350 or so IDF seems reasonable
