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2023-10-09 at 3:51 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kawkasian Fair enough…do you feel your philosophy on that should apply to everyone?
yes, I think we need to be more honest
it's not that I wouldn't hate them and want to kill them (probably as a demographic, not just the people who actually did the crime), but I understand that what they did was not unique, they weren't some special kind of evil that doesn't exist anywhere else. the reason I want to kill them is because they transgressed against me and the people I care about. -
2023-10-09 at 3:51 PM UTC
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2023-10-09 at 3:54 PM UTC
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2023-10-09 at 3:55 PM UTC
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2023-10-09 at 3:57 PM UTC
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2023-10-09 at 4 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra it doesn't matter what I call them, as a party to the conflict I'd probably call them niggers
like the RAF turning Dresden into a giant oven
It goes both ways, doubt Germany was worried about civilians when launching V-1 and V-2s into England. Pretty sure they even called them terror raids.
Each side probably calls each other terrorist and start with small terror raids until you end up destroying entire cities like Dresden or fire bombing Tokyo. War is about killing and destroying each other until one gives up.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-10-09 at 4:03 PM UTC
Originally posted by jerryb It goes both ways, doubt Germany was worried about civilians when launching V-1 and V-2s into England. Pretty sure they even called them terror raids.
Each side probably calls each other terrorist and start with small terror raids until you end up destroying entire cities like Dresden or fire bombing Tokyo. War is about killing and destroying each other until one gives up.
yep, more or less what I was getting at, nobody's hands are clean in this
the worst I've heard of is probably the Soviets' Torchmen Orders, where units disguised as the enemy would attack their own civilian towns in order to simultaneously harden the resolve of the people and create a buffer zone were advancing German forces couldn't resupplyThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-10-09 at 4:07 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra yep, more or less what I was getting at, nobody's hands are clean in this
the worst I've heard of is probably the Soviets' Torchmen Orders, where units disguised as the enemy would attack their own civilian towns in order to simultaneously harden the resolve of the people and create a buffer zone were advancing German forces couldn't resupply
Yeah it's easy to sit at home and talk about what should happen. If I was some grunt in the field getting pounded I'd call in air support and destroy their position, if some innocents there then to bad for them. -
2023-10-09 at 4:11 PM UTCAnnihilation of the Wicked - Great Album
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2023-10-09 at 4:13 PM UTC
Originally posted by jerryb Yeah it's easy to sit at home and talk about what should happen. If I was some grunt in the field getting pounded I'd call in air support and destroy their position, if some innocents there then to bad for them.
If the position was a school or hospital with no enemy combatants...would you still call in air support to destroy it?
That's the difference here...there was no declared "war" when Hamas attacked civilian residences and killed the occupants. -
2023-10-09 at 4:24 PM UTCApparently the Israeli military is out of ammo and short on supplies for everything from fuel to kit. They could not have picked a better time to attack, totally caught with their pants down
It's just like when they kill terrorists during a wedding or funeral fuys! it's called a combat advantage, not terrorism. Bunch of pussies
Originally posted by jerryb Yeah it's easy to sit at home and talk about what should happen. If I was some grunt in the field getting pounded I'd call in air support and destroy their position, if some innocents there then to bad for them.
yes, the military is evil and so are the governments that fund it and the people that support this. Just because it's the best way to do something doesn't mean it's right. Nobody should be proud of their government killing civilians -
2023-10-09 at 4:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kawkasian If the position was a school or hospital with no enemy combatants…would you still call in air support to destroy it?
That's the difference here…there was no declared "war" when Hamas attacked civilian residences and killed the occupants.
There would be no reason, but as seen in Ukraine they have used schools and hospitals to hide in, it would be a tough call because maybe some civilians are still there. It would come down to I want my guys to come out alive over strangers, I know the guy next to me and maybe his family and the other is unknown to me.
I would never support just killing non-combatants, I personally feel it is wrong and even if I was a cold hearted bastard it would not help win any battle.
That brings up another question, are civilians innocent if they are supplying food, shelter and intel to the enemy.
I understand your point of killing and raping just to terrorize. -
2023-10-09 at 4:26 PM UTCwhy do people keep posting Australian news sites
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2023-10-09 at 4:29 PM UTC
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2023-10-09 at 4:31 PM UTC
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2023-10-09 at 4:31 PM UTC
Originally posted by jerryb There would be no reason, but as seen in Ukraine they have used schools and hospitals to hide in, it would be a tough call because maybe some civilians are still there. It would come down to I want my guys to come out alive over strangers, I know the guy next to me and maybe his family and the other is unknown to me.
I would never support just killing non-combatants, I personally feel it is wrong and even if I was a cold hearted bastard it would not help win any battle.
That brings up another question, are civilians innocent if they are supplying food, shelter and intel to the enemy.
I understand your point of killing and raping just to terrorize.
People in this thread keep comparing the events to established and in progress wars...that's not what happened here...it was a terrorist attack targeting civilians...not a war.
What happens in the depths of an established war is not the same as an unprovoked attack on civilians..which IS what happened here.
Declarations of war came after the terror act. -
2023-10-09 at 4:32 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-10-09 at 4:33 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-10-09 at 4:33 PM UTC
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2023-10-09 at 4:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by totse2118 Apparently the Israeli military is out of ammo and short on supplies for everything from fuel to kit. They could not have picked a better time to attack, totally caught with their pants down
apparently most of the IDF was focused on the West Bank at the time because the settlers there are Netenyahu's main base and they wanted security, so they were totally out of place to deal with a major Gaza chimpout.
it's impossible to say what the situation on the ground is because israel is saying they've secured the wall and have Gaza contained but Hamas is still churning out combat videos, most recently a special forces unit that was slaughtered.
given how they're behaving I expect Hezbullah plans to open a new front in the north once the IDF commits to a ground invasion but the US carrier group complicates things, anyone know how far out it is?
