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2023-05-08 at 4:09 AM UTCi hope sudo was just trolling formshits and giggles
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2023-05-08 at 5:38 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra we were talking about the sanctions and 'isolation', not the cost of running a war.
absolutely not true, unless MAYBE if you're talking about dead + injured including Wagner and the LDNR militias. so far the only ones who've tried to verify Russian war deaths are the BBC and they can only substantiate around 20k.
even if that number is accurate, it's a country of almost 150 million people. they've diverted a lot of manpower to war industries and have been ramping up domestic supply of everything from agriculture to fully domestic aircraft and chips so yeah, labour is going to be disrupted.
NLAWs are an anti-tank weapon.
I don't know how much clearer I can make this - Russia is not concerned with holding *most* territory until the AFU is degraded to the point where it can no longer hold it. they're willing to give up territory to preserve lives and inflict casualties. elastic defense, mobility warfare etc.
see above. the FSB has not released casualty information, nor is it their place to. find a source claiming massive Russian casualties that isn't directly parroting the AFU (there is nobody on the ground investigating the numbers given from any third country. even the recent 'pentagon leaks' report casualties with the caveat that they're not considered reliable because they can't be verified).
that's retarded.
not only that, they're demilitarising NATO in the process. weapons aside, there is no NATO country with the base for industrial warfare. even if they were to reconfigure for it, it'd be years before they could reach the production levels required. the US hasn't had a serious enemy since the fall of the Soviet Union, and as a result the war industry has been reconfigured to grift the taxpayer as hard as possible, not necessarily to deliver effective weapons.
the US and EU are so low on artillery shells and MLRS rockets that they're dipping into strategic stockpiles in israel and begging South Korea for them - and this is while Russia is launching 5-10x as many as the AFU is per day. and after they ran all those 'anonymous insider' stories claiming that Russia was desperately trying to buy munitions from NK, China, Iran etc., which all turned out to be false. as I mentioned before, the US has promised another 16-24 HIMARS units to the Ukraine, but they won't actually be produced for another 2-3 years at best. Poland has been waiting over 2 years for their order of ABRAMS MBTs.
you're buying into this ridiculous 'Russia is somehow losing massive amounts of forces, even though they have overwhelming standoff, artillery and now air superiority' meme because almost all media outlets are acting as PR for the AFU, but the reality on the ground is rather different.
1. We are talking about the effect it's had on the Russian economy which has been objectively bad. It has however been nowhere near as bad as many sources predicted. But like I said, very bad for the economy by almost all metrics.
2. I was talking about dead + injured although I could have mistakenly implied purely dead somewhere in my previous post. You've definitely heard this story right?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65260672.amp
Yeah the BBC has compiled over 20k Russian soldiers literally by name who've been killed. If you include Wagner, Cossaks, special forces etc you're easily pushing 30-40k conservatively, so 110k troops that can't be reused is a pretty safe bet by any estimate. I've seen a bunch of articles citing the fsb number of 110k but I'm not gonna search for FSB documents myself rn. Also, "elite" forces probably aren't includ3d in the BBC total
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/01/russia-lost-900-elite-soldiers-in-ukraine-fighting-report-a78697
3. Russias been in need of diversification of their economy for a while too and expansion of skills for people outside of the big cities (like most countries). The wars only made that worse, too. The seeds of the poor decisions are going to have long lasting effects on the economy
4. There's another acronym for anti aircraft that's been taking them out. Maybe BUK or MIGTOW idk
5. The territory Russia is clearly interested in obtaining and holding like Mariupol, Zapakanuclearplant, Bakhmut etc etc etc they've had a horrible time with. It takes them 6 months and a ton of manpower to obtain a symbolic victory at this point. It shouldn't be this hard for literal Russia to take literal small towns in literal Ukraine. Every fight becomes the donetsk airport all over again taking a long fucking time to take something that lost its strategic importance long ago. It's not a "demilitarization tactic" to spend half a year and a ton of resources trying to get a new forward launching base. When they retreated from the Kharkov region they opened themselves back up to attacks from that direction and opened the flank that allowed the fight over bakhmut in the first place. Where was the grand design there? If they weren't running scared, why didn't they hammer Kharkov to prevent it being s logistics point for future attacks against them in the future?
This "demilitarization" theory is just a fancy word for war of attrition. Russia has much more to lose though, and there's apparently only 50 US special forces in Ukraine. Do you think NATO is giving its premium weapons tech stockpiles to Ukraine? Russia may have their military production on point for a while but they're not able to keep up with the rest of NATO giving their new swag to some ukranian dummys to try first. Nato is treating Ukraine like guinea pigs in the Latvian war games and its no skin off their back to shake their cup for some more money and guns. Russias backed into a corner by all accounts. A decisive victory is obviously what would have been best dor Moscow. Now maybe 2 years from now the new ABRAMS come in and wreck Russias shit; Who does that hurt besides Russia? Who wants to sit in a quagmire hemorrhaging resources for years? Maybe some (((certain))) oligarchs who can play victim for financial benefit but definitely not a country trying to protect its financial and demographic interests.
The only thing I regularly read on the situation is understanding war which is mostly to do with day to day operations and backed by sources. The "reality on the ground" is not something you are privy to more than anyone else is. On the ground Russia is going nowhere and you would like to think that is by design. Comparing to just about every other military operation (the closest thijg to the conflict I always think of is the Iraq-Iran war) they're shitting the bed and are in a much weaker position than they were expected to be and where they should be. -
2023-05-08 at 5:54 AM UTCRussia's performance is all 5-dimensional extratemporal hoop and stick, don't let them fool you Sudo. Trump learned his wily multidimensional chess skills by ingesting Putler's cum - consuming it made him powerful. Just imagine how powerful the raw source of that power was! I suspect Russian numbers are vastly overinflated. And you're not factoring in the Orthodox priests working under High Lich King Donald Trump who have been performing arcane resurrection magicks non-stop since the war began. Sure, maybe 60,000 Russian soldiers have been killed, but 100000 including 40000 that died during WWII have been revived and are as loyal to Putin as they were to Stalin.
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2023-05-08 at 5:57 AM UTCThis is actually why Russia scaled back celebrations of the end of Great Patriotic War and the usual parades: they don't want to tip their hand to the west and reveal that legions of the undead form the backbone of their unstoppable military might.
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2023-05-08 at 8:58 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sudo 2. I was talking about dead + injured although I could have mistakenly implied purely dead somewhere in my previous post. You've definitely heard this story right?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65260672.amp
yeah that's from the 'Pentagon Leaks', the US/AFU are making claims about what the FSB thinks, not a statement from them themselves. I didn't think those leaks were legit given the ridiculous way they were handled but at least a few things in there turned out to be accurate so who knows.
Originally posted by Sudo Yeah the BBC has compiled over 20k Russian soldiers literally by name who've been killed. If you include Wagner, Cossaks, special forces etc you're easily pushing 30-40k conservatively, so 110k troops that can't be reused is a pretty safe bet by any estimate. I've seen a bunch of articles citing the fsb number of 110k but I'm not gonna search for FSB documents myself rn. Also, "elite" forces probably aren't includ3d in the BBC total
I think 40-50k deaths is on the high side but totally plausible (relatively few of these are actual Russian military given the bulk of the frontline fighting is done by Wagner and LDNR militias) and still fits the casualty ratio of 3-4:1, if not higher. Ukrainian soldiers themselves regularly complain they're getting pulverised at a rate of 5:1 wherever artillery's used (everywhere), the AFU's removed almost all exemptions for mobilisation and is going after the outer limits of 16-60, they're only getting a week or two's training before being sent to the front and new fighters in Bakhmut, according to the AFU's own stats had an average lifespan of 4 hours.
Originally posted by Sudo 4. There's another acronym for anti aircraft that's been taking them out. Maybe BUK or MIGTOW idk
it's mostly the S-300s and older SAMs that've prevented the use of combat aircraft. the goal is to use radar locks to threaten planes, giving them the option to keep cruising high and risk eating a big, accurate missile or to go low and fall into the range of hidden AA guns and MANPADs considering their munitions are much cheaper.
Originally posted by Sudo 5. The territory Russia is clearly interested in obtaining and holding like Mariupol, Zapakanuclearplant, Bakhmut etc etc etc they've had a horrible time with. It takes them 6 months and a ton of manpower to obtain a symbolic victory at this point. It shouldn't be this hard for literal Russia to take literal small towns in literal Ukraine. Every fight becomes the donetsk airport all over again taking a long fucking time to take something that lost its strategic importance long ago. It's not a "demilitarization tactic" to spend half a year and a ton of resources trying to get a new forward launching base. When they retreated from the Kharkov region they opened themselves back up to attacks from that direction and opened the flank that allowed the fight over bakhmut in the first place. Where was the grand design there? If they weren't running scared, why didn't they hammer Kharkov to prevent it being s logistics point for future attacks against them in the future?
Mariupol and Soledar have literally hundreds of kilometers of fortified underground tunnels with hidden and armored firing points that had to be cleared slowly and meticulously; there's no shortcut there. I heard rumours that they'd started pumping seawater into the Azovstahl tunnels but they turned out to be false; probably a war crime. Bakhmut's been intentionally slow progress because Zelensky has been constantly feeding enormous numbers of troops into a cauldron encircled on all sides with artillery that fires literally 24 hours a day.
Originally posted by Sudo This "demilitarization" theory is just a fancy word for war of attrition. Russia has much more to lose though, and there's apparently only 50 US special forces in Ukraine.
'demilitarisation' is the word they use in their statement of objectives. one of their goals is literally to disassemble the Ukrainian military and they're well on their way.
most of the 'official' NATO troops in the country are 'trainers', 'advisors' and CIA handlers; what's that got to do with anything? there are many times more NATO-trained mercs there regardless.
Originally posted by Sudo Do you think NATO is giving its premium weapons tech stockpiles to Ukraine?
do you think it's high tech low volume wunderwaffe that wins wars? this is not a conflict where the Russians can just carpet bomb Kiev and sodomise Zelensky to death with a bayonet.
this is industrial warfare, the west tried to get past it but it never went away.
Originally posted by Sudo Russia may have their military production on point for a while but they're not able to keep up with the rest of NATO giving their new swag to some ukranian dummys to try first. Nato is treating Ukraine like guinea pigs in the Latvian war games and its no skin off their back to shake their cup for some more money and guns. Russias backed into a corner by all accounts. A decisive victory is obviously what would have been best dor Moscow. Now maybe 2 years from now the new ABRAMS come in and wreck Russias shit; Who does that hurt besides Russia? Who wants to sit in a quagmire hemorrhaging resources for years? Maybe some (((certain))) oligarchs who can play victim for financial benefit but definitely not a country trying to protect its financial and demographic interests.
I already said - Russia has the military manufacturing base for industrial warfare, NATO doesn't, and couldn't reconfigure for it in a reasonable timeframe if they wanted to. Germany and the UK have both openly stated they do not have enough ammunition to last a week in a conventional war and currently have no path toward producing it.
assuming that the US offering ABRAMS was just not just a ploy to get Germany to release its Leopards (it was), Ukraine won't have the men to drive them by the time they're actually given any of them.
why would you think a small volume of tanks that are way too heavy for Ukrainian infrastructure and require completely new supply chains and 8 hours maintenance per hour of combat would 'wreck Russia's shit' anyway? -
2023-05-08 at 11:43 AM UTCif your "news" came from sources charted on this chart you need to sit back and reevaluate your worldview.
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2023-05-08 at 11:48 AM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny if your "news" came from sources charted on this chart you need to sit back and reevaluate your worldview.
No shit, media is full of "insiders" and ex governemt operative spokesholes that get everything from sketchy globalist UN kikegroups that also control the same media
everybody knows this and supports it all
I'm pretty sure the bilderberrgs aren't behind my google news reel of showing me a tech site news article for a video game I play
it all runs on algorithms
you absolute
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retard
learn to deconstruct news, not consume it -
2023-05-08 at 11:55 AM UTCwhos consuming what
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2023-05-08 at 12:06 PM UTCif you aren't deconstructing it and instead seek out ALT RIGHT aka ALT CORRECT opinions or leftist hugboxes from even more brain dead retards, it's no different because the real experts don't go on there and nobody takes them seriously.
But governments just make up all the numbers, it's all a simulation. The media never reports anything of actual substance but you can find the numbers yourself if you go digging enough because it's usually all public
and if you do that you can see the spin on everything no matter where it's coming from.
These are all high quality publications, I can't vouch for Hindustan Times but I don't see how it matters what or where I get my news when I deconstruct EVERYTHING and consume nothing
Originally posted by Wariat believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see
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2023-05-09 at 9:29 PM UTC
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2023-05-10 at 12:23 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-05-10 at 2:14 PM UTCone tank parade?
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2023-05-10 at 7:42 PM UTC
At a court hearing in Bakhmut, PMC Wagner sentenced Zelensky to death
https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1656277499888943104
The fighters of the PMC "Wagner" accused the head of the Kiev regime, Vladimir Zelensky, of premeditated murder of the Ukrainian military, by sending them into the "Bakhmut meat grinder" and genocide of the civilian population.
"Disrespected Vladimir Alexandrovich, you are accused of genocide of the Russian and Ukrainian people. You send your soldiers to die here on Russian soil."
Funny, but fair. But don't get lost in the details. Zoom out. Prigozhin and Zelensky are just two jedis orchestrating the mass murder of slavs. -
2023-05-11 at 5:06 AM UTCPrigozhin doesn't even really own or manage Wagner; I never realised that Wagner has it's own air wing and artillery units (I assumed they were on loan or a regular military attachment to Wagner's infantry) - there's no way the MoD or FSB would allow him to own an assault force like that and there's even more no way he's personally paying for all of it. the actual commanders keep their names out of the media for the most part, so my guess is he was a massive shit talker back when he was Putin's chef and Putin asked if he wanted to be a warlord and shitpost for the motherlandThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-05-11 at 5:20 AM UTCalso, there's been a lot of talk of Ukrainians shooting down a Russian Kinzhal missile outside of Kiev with a Patriot battery, but it was pretty obvious that isn't what happened from the start so I mostly ignored it. they're still trying to milk it though, and the arguments are getting more ridiculous.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1654432674633613312
I believe it was originally territorial defence that found the wreckage and claimed it was an intercepted Kinzhal and posted photos (the initial one just looks like a ruptured drain pipe) online - Ukrainian air command immediately dismissed it, stating there were no interceptions at that time/area and no hypersonics detected. the story blew up and the AFU quickly changed their tune, agreeing that it was a Kinzhal that was shot down, even though the reported wreckage looks nothing like it.
more photos have been released now, and it appears to actually be a BETAB-500 bomb.
this is interesting because that is a cold-war era aerial 'dumb' bomb, meaning bombers would have to get very close to Kiev to have dropped it and that simply isn't happening. so they likely didn't shoot anything down; they just brought bomb fragments from another site for a photo op.
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2023-05-11 at 8:54 AM UTCnah aldra i doubt it. i think its the real thing. and you know it aldra. you know it.
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2023-05-11 at 9:11 AM UTC
Originally posted by Wariat nah aldra i doubt it. i think its the real thing. and you know it aldra. you know it.
that's because you're retarded
https://sonar21.com/polish-generals-finally-admit-the-obvious/
Polish military command are now openly questioning what the benefit of continuing to arm the AFU is, especially since it's 'melting' their own military stocks
how maek u feel? -
2023-05-11 at 9:12 AM UTChopefully he gets replaced soon
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2023-05-11 at 10:54 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Prigozhin doesn't even really own or manage Wagner; I never realised that Wagner has it's own air wing and artillery units (I assumed they were on loan or a regular military attachment to Wagner's infantry) - there's no way the MoD or FSB would allow him to own an assault force like that and there's even more no way he's personally paying for all of it. the actual commanders keep their names out of the media for the most part, so my guess is he was a massive shit talker back when he was Putin's chef and Putin asked if he wanted to be a warlord and shitpost for the motherland
It's so funny how a year ago the narrative was Wagner was a shadowy infamous super elite group of black op mercenaries and now their leader shit posts on Twitter and they're recruiting kids with no background. Sounds like they have a better training program than the Canadian military tho -
2023-05-11 at 11:08 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sudo It's so funny how a year ago the narrative was Wagner was a shadowy infamous super elite group of black op mercenaries and now their leader shit posts on Twitter and they're recruiting kids with no background. Sounds like they have a better training program than the Canadian military tho
yeah I think it was much smaller when they were operating in Syria and Africa, was Prigozhin even involved in like, 2015? I remember thinking Wagner wasn't even a real thing back then because they had no real presence or branding and they were doing the same thing as the Russian military anyway. from what we know now it seems like they essentially ARE a branch of the Russian military except kept separate to prevent setting the precedent of taking foreign mercs and convicts into the official armed forces.
there's not a whole lot of accurate information on their internal composition but I think it's around 1:2-3 veteran mercs vs. prisoners and recruits given the troop movements in and around Bakhmut
