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Military Genius Zelensky wants Ukrainians to throw molotovs at Russian tanks
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2023-05-07 at 6:09 PM UTCorhe may be talking about some elections in poland or something but he mentions maidan in 2014? weird.
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2023-05-07 at 6:10 PM UTC
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2023-05-07 at 6:13 PM UTCK2? insanely expensive for how vulnerable tanks in general are nowadays
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2023-05-07 at 6:16 PM UTC
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2023-05-07 at 6:18 PM UTCits like some unguarded unknown regular looking apartment building of warsaws districts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Centre_for_Research_and_Development#/media/File:Kol56DSC_1100.jpg -
2023-05-07 at 6:26 PM UTC
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2023-05-07 at 6:27 PM UTC
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2023-05-07 at 6:42 PM UTCthis is madness guys just madness:
https://twitter.com/laowaiaround/status/1655239576825495552?s=20 -
2023-05-07 at 7:54 PM UTCfrom polish forums:
"when Yugoslavia decided not to join the Warsaw Pact, the Muscovites responded in the only way they know - tried a military coup, and when that failed tried to poison Tito.
It is this level of criminal thuggery that the Ukrainians want to put behind them when they join the free world." -
2023-05-07 at 7:57 PM UTClol at polish forums here:
https://polishforums.com/news/poland-aid-ukraine-russia-invades-part-87688/110/#msg1908008
"This is really one of the silliest "arguments" supporting Russia's unprovoked war of agression against Ukraine I've ever read.
The idea that Mexcico, a flawed but functioning democracy would have voluntarily joined the organization whose main purpose it was to keep Soviets colonies in line goes against any kind of common sense (which is why you may bring it up). And then you assume that the USA would have invaded in this absurd scenario, which btw. would have seen the USA condemned in the same way Russia is now, so it is not even suitable as an excuse."
aldra whats ur excuse? -
2023-05-07 at 7:58 PM UTClol more ammo aldra:
https://polishforums.com/news/poland-aid-ukraine-russia-invades-part-87688/110/#msg1908005
"Good to see Muscovy is cancelling its normal goose stepping parades because the supposed second army in the world doesn't have enough tanks and 4 limbed soldiers left to make a decent parade.
Maybe the citizens can reflect quietly instead, not just on their own honorable dead, but maybe to ask questions about their own role in starting the war, together with their Nazi German allies in 1939. Ribbentrop was treated to a 24 course banquet in Moscow that compares nicely with how murderer Putin is brown-nosing Xi." -
2023-05-07 at 7:59 PM UTC
Originally posted by Wariat im sure another gorbachev wxists somewhere in russia bro or it spolitical circles.
I'm sure there's someone that'd lube up and take a cock live on tv but that doesn't mean they'll get in power, but putin has indeed bent over backwards and spread for the west.
Do you seriously think anyone else in power would have invaded with a significant numbers disadvantage after years of letting the enemy build their strength?
Even more when Minsk has been so openly bragged about being broken
Navalny is a bit more pro west and a bit more anti ukraine but is by no means a moderate and is just as if not more corrupt as any other politician. -
2023-05-07 at 8:07 PM UTC
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2023-05-07 at 8:08 PM UTC
Originally posted by Number13 I'm sure there's someone that'd lube up and take a cock live on tv but that doesn't mean they'll get in power, but putin has indeed bent over backwards and spread for the west.
Do you seriously think anyone else in power would have invaded with a significant numbers disadvantage after years of letting the enemy build their strength?
Even more when Minsk has been so openly bragged about being broken
Navalny is a bit more pro west and a bit more anti ukraine but is by no means a moderate and is just as if not more corrupt as any other politician.
still very few politicians like putin try to kill or poison their opposition regularly on top of rigged elections. -
2023-05-07 at 10:59 PM UTC
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2023-05-07 at 11:01 PM UTC
jaThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-05-07 at 11:08 PM UTCSo true.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-05-08 at 1:12 AM UTC
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2023-05-08 at 1:30 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra you're seriously going to cite the US government to claim that Russia's economy is doing poorly?
fun fact: the EU is still buying Russian gas, they just buy it from India to evade their own retarded sanctions.
it's the same demographic problems everyone in the first world is facing, exacerbated by the problems after the fall of the soviet union. pretending the war is the major driver here is disingenuous.
why do you think they're getting 'BTFO' by anything, especially the NLAWs that the Ukrainians themselves have stated have around a 25% chance of firing at all?
the majority of everyone's military is 'old' tech. the bulk of the US air force is from the 70s, same goes for much of Europe. do you know what the lead time is for the HIMARS they promised to the Ukrainians, or the ABRAMS promised to Poland?
reread and try to comprehend that point - once the AFU is degraded past a certain point, Russia can simply claim whatever territory they want. territory doesn't matter if you lose the capability to hold it.
Kherson's actually a good example - Russia could've tried to hold it, but there was no point in them bleeding the manpower because A) the AFU had a huge numerical advantage and were being resupplied from Nikolaev and B) they were constantly trying to destroy the dam and flood the whole city anyway. the Russians evacuated civilians, then moved to the natural barrier and blasted the AFU every time they tried to enter the city.
tanks and equipment are destroyed or abandoned all the time, it's a war. if you think a few photos of destroyed tanks with Zs hastily spraypainted on them is evidence of anything, well…
considering the AFU is snatching old men and literal children off the streets of Kiev on their 6th or 7th mobilisation, yes, it's safe to say their manpower is significantly degraded.
again, where are you getting this idea about 'cannon fodder' and massive losses?
they cycle active and inactive units to avoid fatigue and demoralisation. this is a normal thing when your army isn't down to people you've snatched off the street.
this is pure fantasy. are you just repeating something you heard on Caspian Report again?
you understand that, corruption aside, Ukraine had the largest and best-equipped conventional army in Europe before 2014, right? and then 8 years of NATO buildup. and then hundreds of billions of dollars of equipment funneled into it after the invasion - more than twice as much as Russia's TOTAL annual military budget.
but yeah, I guess they're doing terribly compared to the US bombing the shit out of Afghan guerillas and civilians, occupying two cities and making no progress only to be kicked out 20 years later.
first attempt was to go to Kiev and kick out the government, when that didn't work it switched to attrition, and now they're just going to keep using artillery to slowly pulverise the AFU until the country is 'demilitarised'
1. Are you actually serious in thinking that the war has been beneficial for the economy? That's like ancient out of touch theorizing that makes n sense and is based on nothing. Do you have any sources indicating its economy is doing great because of this war because that's what you typed? It's pretty easy to find signs pointing otherwise, besides the labor shortage
https://www.google.com/amp/s/markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/russian-economy-industrial-decline-air-pollution-satellite-data-ukraine-war-2023-5%3famp
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/04/06/russian-economic-prospects-foggy-as-sanctions-cut-deep-a80729
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65213412.amp
But yeah, the idea that the Russian economy is doing great because the EU buys Russian oil from India is pretty irrelevant and just doubling down on the bullshit narrative. Next you'll say Russia blew up the Nord stream 2 themselves as a brilliant tactical move.
2. Russia has had demographic problems before this latest Y Generation and starting a prolonged war in which they've suffered over 100k casualties has only made it worse. Over a million Russians have emigrated since then too, they're already experiencing a labor shortage and a brain drain. Just be honest lol
3. NLAWS stopped their air force and increased the cost for Russia as something that's essentially free, useless old tech thst anyone can use. Sucks to be a Russian pilot getting taken out by some shitty old SAMs but that's the scenario.
4. You typed alot to say "Russia doesn't want to hold territory...because they cant for any length of time" not to mention they've consistently been experiencing protests and saboteurs in any southern towns they've briefly controlled. Not moving forward results in moving backwards when there are finite resources being expended. If they were a capable force they would have been able to use the Dniper as a buffer (obviously intention early on) and kept supply routes. Instead they're taking Ls everywhere they turn after their first push.
5. By all accounts, even the FSBs, Russia has suffered at least 110k casualties, almost the total of their initial advance. That sucks dude. You can try tonframe it anyway u want but over 100k young dead men and no victory in sight is shit.
6. They need Wagner and Chechans more than anything because their rank and file troops keep getting bodied and sent packing quickly. I've seen a few breakdowns of units entrances and exits from the field and for the most part they come back in pieces
7. What is fantasy? That Russia sucks at taking and controlling territory? There are literally no facts to show otherwise.
8. What? Ukraine didn't have the best army in Europe before 2014? Fuck Italy had a better army. They've been getting stabbed in thr side for a decade too and Putin attacked because he thought he wouldn't have another chance before Ukraine got too strong. Imagine if they did, they'd probably take Moscow! Those poor Russians crying out while they strike you
9. Do you actually think Russia is capable of "demilitarizing" a country that the world writes blank checks to, borders a NATO country and has only known war, corruption and famine? That's so naive lol. They've got kids and grannies off the street picking up weapons and Russia can't deal with any insurgency efforts when they hold territory. If they had to set anything up and feign legitimacy they'd have ukranian prostitutes wearing suicide vest girdles. Russia has no chance of "demilitarizing" a country that the whole world is donating its old weapons to just so they can kill the next generation of Russian men. Russia was smart enough to realize they were in way over their head when they were outside Kiev and Kharkov. Now they've got to figure out how to get out without losing what they started with. Odessa is going to be a hub for launching attacks as long as Russia has a presence there. Russia fucked itself up with the international community and their long term interests just to hope to slowly "demilitarize" a third rate oligarchy? Weak and everyone knows it, especially Russia -
2023-05-08 at 2:11 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sudo 1. Are you actually serious in thinking that the war has been beneficial for the economy? That's like ancient out of touch theorizing that makes n sense and is based on nothing. Do you have any sources indicating its economy is doing great because of this war because that's what you typed? It's pretty easy to find signs pointing otherwise, besides the labor shortage
we were talking about the sanctions and 'isolation', not the cost of running a war.
Originally posted by Sudo …a prolonged war in which they've suffered over 100k casualties
absolutely not true, unless MAYBE if you're talking about dead + injured including Wagner and the LDNR militias. so far the only ones who've tried to verify Russian war deaths are the BBC and they can only substantiate around 20k.
Originally posted by Sudo has only made it worse. Over a million Russians have emigrated since then too, they're already experiencing a labor shortage and a brain drain. Just be honest lol
even if that number is accurate, it's a country of almost 150 million people. they've diverted a lot of manpower to war industries and have been ramping up domestic supply of everything from agriculture to fully domestic aircraft and chips so yeah, labour is going to be disrupted.
Originally posted by Sudo 3. NLAWS stopped their air force and increased the cost for Russia as something that's essentially free, useless old tech thst anyone can use. Sucks to be a Russian pilot getting taken out by some shitty old SAMs but that's the scenario.
NLAWs are an anti-tank weapon.
Originally posted by Sudo 4. You typed alot to say "Russia doesn't want to hold territory…because they cant for any length of time" not to mention they've consistently been experiencing protests and saboteurs in any southern towns they've briefly controlled. Not moving forward results in moving backwards when there are finite resources being expended. If they were a capable force they would have been able to use the Dniper as a buffer (obviously intention early on) and kept supply routes. Instead they're taking Ls everywhere they turn after their first push.
I don't know how much clearer I can make this - Russia is not concerned with holding *most* territory until the AFU is degraded to the point where it can no longer hold it. they're willing to give up territory to preserve lives and inflict casualties. elastic defense, mobility warfare etc.
Originally posted by Sudo 5. By all accounts, even the FSBs, Russia has suffered at least 110k casualties, almost the total of their initial advance. That sucks dude. You can try tonframe it anyway u want but over 100k young dead men and no victory in sight is shit.
6. They need Wagner and Chechans more than anything because their rank and file troops keep getting bodied and sent packing quickly. I've seen a few breakdowns of units entrances and exits from the field and for the most part they come back in pieces
see above. the FSB has not released casualty information, nor is it their place to. find a source claiming massive Russian casualties that isn't directly parroting the AFU (there is nobody on the ground investigating the numbers given from any third country. even the recent 'pentagon leaks' report casualties with the caveat that they're not considered reliable because they can't be verified).
Originally posted by Sudo 8. What? Ukraine didn't have the best army in Europe before 2014? Fuck Italy had a better army.
that's retarded.
Originally posted by Sudo 9. Do you actually think Russia is capable of "demilitarizing" a country that the world writes blank checks to, borders a NATO country and has only known war, corruption and famine?
not only that, they're demilitarising NATO in the process. weapons aside, there is no NATO country with the base for industrial warfare. even if they were to reconfigure for it, it'd be years before they could reach the production levels required. the US hasn't had a serious enemy since the fall of the Soviet Union, and as a result the war industry has been reconfigured to grift the taxpayer as hard as possible, not necessarily to deliver effective weapons.
the US and EU are so low on artillery shells and MLRS rockets that they're dipping into strategic stockpiles in israel and begging South Korea for them - and this is while Russia is launching 5-10x as many as the AFU is per day. and after they ran all those 'anonymous insider' stories claiming that Russia was desperately trying to buy munitions from NK, China, Iran etc., which all turned out to be false. as I mentioned before, the US has promised another 16-24 HIMARS units to the Ukraine, but they won't actually be produced for another 2-3 years at best. Poland has been waiting over 2 years for their order of ABRAMS MBTs.
you're buying into this ridiculous 'Russia is somehow losing massive amounts of forces, even though they have overwhelming standoff, artillery and now air superiority' meme because almost all media outlets are acting as PR for the AFU, but the reality on the ground is rather different.
