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2023-01-20 at 2:56 PM UTC
Originally posted by Donald Trump It's sort of interesting that Ukraine haven't been able to reacquire nukes or use nuclear technology (eg. dirty bombs) against Russia.
They could probably source or scrape one together if they really tried.
What would Russia do if Ukraine had a nuke hidden somewhere in Moscow?
What possible benefit are you imagining Ukraine would get from nuclear weapons?
It's not hard for them to even make a real nuke. If you are being 100% real this is no longer some hidden technology, you can accomplish it with engineering and physics knowledge available to a western undergraduate student.
The problem is purely establishing the infrastructure to make something militarily useful. There needs to be some very direct benefit to making that investment and the current model for lesser NATO nations is to just outsource that part. So if things go how they want, it won't really ever be a good investment for them in the foreseeable future. -
2023-01-20 at 3:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra worth noting that Moscow's ringed by echelons of S-400s meant to deal with missiles and aircraft; PANTSIRs specialise in mobile defence and defeating drones (because 1. regular SAM radar is meant to track targets over long distances but has trouble tracking small, stealthy targets where PANTSIRs use optical and thermal tracking at short range and 2. their munitions are much cheaper). it'd be difficult to justify putting those things on rooftops just for 'general' defense; it makes more sense that they have foreknowledge of some sort of specific attack being planned against Moscow, likely using the (modified) old Soviet recon drones that hit Engels and the other airbase I forget the name of a few weeks back.
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2023-01-20 at 3:37 PM UTC
Originally posted by Donald Trump Mass panic due to people's hysterical fear of nuclear radiation.
mass panic of europeans.
russians dont panic over these things.
there were no mass hysteria on a 9/11 scale when russia were struck by chechen terrorism. they just go on with their lives like how people who live in the land of the free and home of the brave should.
i mean look at donbass and luhansk. people go on with their daily lives even when artillery shells rain down on a daily basis and they evem go out to vote for the refferendum while "americans" cant even come out to vote because theres a scarry flu epidemic going on.
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2023-01-20 at 3:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by Balloon Man What possible benefit are you imagining Ukraine would get from nuclear weapons?
It's not hard for them to even make a real nuke. If you are being 100% real this is no longer some hidden technology, you can accomplish it with engineering and physics knowledge available to a western undergraduate student.
The problem is purely establishing the infrastructure to make something militarily useful. There needs to be some very direct benefit to making that investment and the current model for lesser NATO nations is to just outsource that part. So if things go how they want, it won't really ever be a good investment for them in the foreseeable future.
and yet it took US-sponsored israelis years of technology thefts and coporate asspionage to come up with their own nukes.
"knowledges available to undergraduate students"
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2023-01-20 at 3:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by Balloon Man Did Russia really expect to just facerolll Ukraine in 1 week and whys it's taking so leng
I think the initial plan was to rush B and force large-scale surrenders but they underestimated how entrenched the 'true believers' were, ie. the intelligence apparatus and extreme nationalists embedded at every level to prevent exactly that.
they also don't seem to have expected the sheer scale of support given by NATO in terms of equipment, soldiers and intelligence - now that they understand they seem to have switched from mobility warfare to attrition, essentially encouraging the west to disarm itself by flooding the Ukraine with weapons that can't turn the tide of the war.
keep in mind that from the start of the invasion Russia had only sent a fairly small force numbering less than 150k, and the majority of them were technicians and standoff weapons operators with the bulk of the actual fighting being done by LDNR militias and Wagner. they have a standing army of around 1 million (which they're trying to expand to 1.5 at the moment) but they chose to mobilise 300,000 outside of that because they consider themselves to be at war with NATO, with the Ukraine just being a battlefield, and it's important to keep the bulk of their 'serious' forces in reserve.
their goal was never to 'take' Ukrainian territory because Crimea was about the only thing that was valuable to them, but to deny NATO from using it to threaten their mainland. they don't care a lot about holding territory (yet), the goal is to grind down the AFU and their supporters because there will be nobody to stop them doing what they want afterwardsThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-01-20 at 4:16 PM UTC
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2023-01-20 at 4:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny
and yet it took US-sponsored israelis years of technology thefts and coporate asspionage to come up with their own nukes.
What makes you think that?...because you didn't read about it on the internet till years later?
Do you think countries reveal all their secret weaponry stocks and developments via twitter?
I think it's a reasonable assumption to assume that if a country says "hey we've got a new super gizmo"...it means they've already replaced it with a newer one they aren't talking about.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-01-20 at 6:32 PM UTCOnly the general public thinks nuclear weapons are incredibly complex or difficult to create.
It is the manufacturing infrastructure that is difficult and expensive to setup. And even for that the issue is organizing the specialized human capital, not that nuclear weaponry requires some very arcane technical knowhow.
Example, in the case of many nations it is as simple as the fact that if someone gets the required specialized knowledge, their government basically cannot match their paycheck to any of the numerous opportunities that are already open for them abroad.
Nuclear fearmongering is a great way to rob public coffers and convince average folk that it really requires billions of dollars of investment.
When really a majority of "nuclear weapons research" is actually just missile R&D and has zero to do with actual nuclear research.
And of course in general "weapons research" is the blanket name for the government getting to spend blank cheques with no oversight so long as the public is sufficiently scared.
It allows infinite flexibility in spending and deal along under the guide of public affairs.
E.g. you have $50 million to setup the basic complex for the missile research, who gets the contract for the construction? How about the subcontracts, how are they structured?
In general the military is a public jobs and wealth redistribution scheme. It gets many young men out of the public and I to a structured system where they can receive some education and discipline and be spot back out into society with a slightly lower chance if being a horrible delinquent. Nobody dares to criticize the giant public handout safety net that is any nation's military.
Because God dammit your dad and his dad and his dad built your house fighting for this public jobs scheme and they derive a lot of honor from it not being called one.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-01-20 at 9:22 PM UTCyeah the only really difficult part is getting the U235; everything else is just refining the idea of smashing chunks of it together and controlling the energy output
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2023-01-20 at 9:25 PM UTCI can build a 20mt warhead in under three days.
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2023-01-20 at 9:26 PM UTCRocket science is pretty simple too.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-01-20 at 9:59 PM UTCEverything is easy until you go to do it.
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2023-01-20 at 10:17 PM UTCOn the original &Temple of the Screaming Electron BBS, we would teach you how to build a nuclear bomb, step by step.
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2023-01-20 at 10:21 PM UTCBack in the old days life was tough. We didn't have cell phones or instant mashed potatoes...we had to yell and peel.
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2023-01-20 at 11:02 PM UTC
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2023-01-20 at 11:07 PM UTC
Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ On the original &Temple of the Screaming Electron BBS, we would teach you how to build a nuclear bomb, step by step.
i probably found totse looking for this, i used to be super interested in that.
except when i found totse it probably looked like this
fuckin web 1.0 lookin ass
which meant i didn't start posting there until my buddy reintroduced me to the site like 3 years later. -
2023-01-20 at 11:09 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson What makes you think that?…because you didn't read about it on the internet till years later?
Do you think countries reveal all their secret weaponry stocks and developments via twitter?
I think it's a reasonable assumption to assume that if a country says "hey we've got a new super gizmo"…it means they've already replaced it with a newer one they aren't talking about.
thinks nuclear deterence works best in secret.
dr.strangelove-tier retardation.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-01-20 at 11:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by Elbow so basically what the US sent into Iraq
except Russia has half the population the US does, so it deployed twice as many troops relative to that figure
in what sense is that "fairly small"
it's fairly small in comparison to the size of the Ukrainian military and paramilitaries at the beginning of the war
the US immediately destroyed all infrastructure (military and civilian) and relied heavily on uncontested air superiority, and Saddam wasn't supported economically and militarily by the entire western world (either time) so I don't know what you're even trying to say hereThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-01-20 at 11:13 PM UTC
Originally posted by Balloon Man Only the general public thinks nuclear weapons are incredibly complex or difficult to create.
the detonation device is just one part, and thats pretty complicated if you domt want it to blow up when you dont want it to blow up.
the other part is the delivery system and miniaturization.
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2023-01-20 at 11:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny
the detonation device is just one part, and thats pretty complicated if you domt want it to blow up when you dont want it to blow up.
the other part is the delivery system and miniaturization.
nukes arent your paki rugs.
Neither of those are actually particularly complicated from an engineering standpoint, as in it's not particularly cutting edge shit whatsoever.
Maybe for the mongoloid brain tho.
