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Ukraine to hold referendums on joining Russia
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2022-09-23 at 4:03 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 4:04 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra If you don't understand after the last two posts, I'm not even going to bother anymore. It doesn't matter who gets hit with a nuclear weapon, it matters that a nuclear weapon was used. We're talking about the doctrine, not an immediate nuclear exchange.
If you don't understand M.A.D is a theory...it's not even relevant here as Ukraine is NOT protected by Nato.
We're talking about a theory...yours is it would lead to destruction of the world (for a bumbfucked country that isn't even part of Nato), mine is that it wouldn't...no NATO leader is going to initiate the end of humankind for a tactical nuke dropped on an unprotected country...there is no agreement to defend Ukraine and again no Nato leader or majority nato citizens would agree to retaliating with a nuclear strike in a war they are not directly involved in on a country that is not under a protection agreement.
...that would be mad (not M.A.D.) -
2022-09-23 at 4:05 PM UTCReread. Again.
Nobody said it'd immediately lead to nuclear war, only that nuclear weapons will no longer be a deterrent and will be actively used in future conflicts. Try to think of the bigger picture. -
2022-09-23 at 4:08 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 4:15 PM UTCWHO'S EXCITED FOR DEMOCRACY!!!!
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2022-09-23 at 4:17 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 4:30 PM UTCNah I think it's people that like FREEDOM
go back to communist china if you don't like it, comrade
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2022-09-23 at 4:54 PM UTC
Originally posted by Ghost WHO'S EXCITED FOR DEMOCRACY!!!!
this is DEMOCRACY.
DEMOCRACY often come in a tightly and securely packed containers called FREEDOM such as this.
these FREEDOMS are then usually transported, delivered and dispensed with vehicles called OUR VALUES that look like this.
and this is how OUR VALUES of FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY in action look like.
and this is how the undemocratic people of undemocratic countries who have received OUR VALUES, FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY DEMOCRATICALLY CELEBRATE IT.
THIS IS WHO WE ARE. -
2022-09-23 at 4:55 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 5:13 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 5:18 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 5:21 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 5:49 PM UTC
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2022-09-23 at 6:54 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson It's cute that you think freedom actually exists.
I could shoot you in the head right now if you were here or I was there and had a loaded firearm. Thank GOD for dat suuuuweeeet free will
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny sure, vote, by cutting kids dick off.
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2022-09-23 at 7:15 PM UTC
Originally posted by Ghost I could shoot you in the head right now if you were here or I was there and had a loaded firearm. Thank GOD for dat suuuuweeeet free will
...and you'd be hunted down and locked up for it because you wasn't free to do it.
Having the ability to do something doesn't mean you were free to do it. -
2022-09-24 at 1:23 AM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Having the ability to do something doesn't mean you were free to do it.
Says you. I only follow the law of God and the Universe which is above the laws of mortal man, I am truly free more than you can ever hope to be living in a country with less gun restrictions than me because you are actually far from free, you are a prisoner in your own mind and perceptions. -
2022-09-24 at 2:23 AM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson lol, you guys and your obsession/belief this would have anything to do with MAD…it wouldn't…Putin might be a bit nuts but he's not that nuts to attack a nato country…NATO is NOT going to destroy the world for 1 or 2 tactical nukes on bumfucked Ukraine.
Can't trigger MAD if your target doesn't have nukes.
Putin using nukes in the first place is pretty unlikely. Always on the table, of course, but even assuming he did use one - do you honestly think anyone is going to engage in nuclear retaliation on Ukraine's behalf? Who do you foresee, for the sake of nobility and justice alone, putting themselves in the line of fire for the all out mutual nuclear annihilation MAD entails? Nobody. Biden is not going to end the world for Ukraine's sake. Neither is Liz Truss, or Xi, or Modi, or any other leader at the helm of a nuclear power. Putin could glass Ukraine tomorrow and the only punishment Russia'd face is more sanctions (heaven forfend! however would Russia survive?). Putin himself would go before the Hague one day, maybe, and the ICC would then maybe hand him a life sentence instead of the usual 30 years. That's it. That's all.
MAD does not mean "if anyone uses nukes ever, everyone dies". MAD means having nukes is a massive deterrent, specifically to nations who might wish to use nukes against you. If you don't have nukes of your own, you have nothing to deter your enemies from using nukes against you. This is the primary - if not sole - motivator for Iranian and North Korean interest in nuclear proliferation, by the way, regardless of any fantasies you might have heard in western media about Israel or Hawaii getting vaporized. Attacking non-nuclear powers with nukes makes bad economic sense due to inevitable sanctions, it's terrible optics (absolute PR nightmare really), and it's not conducive to accomplishing most "standard" war aims - conquest, securing resources, etc - on account of the risks posed by fallout. Those are literally the only reasons the US didn't nuke Afghanistan into submission. They're the same reason Russia will almost certainly, unless as an act of utter desperation, refrain from nuking Ukraine. MAD has nothing to do with it. -
2022-09-24 at 2:23 AM UTCi feel a lot freer than if i lived in the donbask region, russia or even ukraine really. i got nice shit, my government does war and it doesn't affect my day to day life, i consider myself (White, Male) to be PRIME conscription material and know i probably won't ever even get to fight
my country runs the world and ya we have some weirdo trannies but we also dont have people dying of starvation or tooth decay
i vote, maybe it doesn't do anything but it helps me feel involved.
i get to hate, eat whatever i want, do fucked up things, work hard, have a good, bad, good, bad, great life in 1 decade. All the while etting opportunity and understanding.
sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh and people say america ISN"T #1
if i was in west africa where my friend lives, i would be beggar alcoholic and dead
in America, shit i'mma dress up this garbage can and get me a wife i'm 7/10 on god!!~!~!~!~!~!` -
2022-09-24 at 2:26 AM UTCif joe biden gets a phone call from the annunaki overlord, evil beslebubs servant, some russian Odin and he saaid everything we got fire now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'd be so supportive
but there is a reason this has not occured in Ukraine during the attack on Kyiv because that nigga scared and doesn't have 100% control
WHEN STALIN was around, sheeeeeeeeesh -
2022-09-24 at 2:29 AM UTCim so glad i dont have access to nuclear weapons and that the people who do are a lot more PUSSY that i'd ever be
