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Do you think I'm a bad person?
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2016-08-23 at 8:08 PM UTC
Morality is subjective but it shouldn't be. It should be an objective truth to everybody but sadly we are not there yet.
If all people would agree that logic trumps emotion we wouldn't have shit like genital mutiliation or religious wars.
Dispute this. If morality wasn't subjective but an absolutely objective truth. If we all had the same morality and that morality was derived from logic we would live in an utopian world without clit cutting and race wars. -
2016-08-23 at 8:09 PM UTCIf the most logical solution to life is to end it, I'm kinda glad that emotions and a sense of morality exist in people even if it is subjective and people disagree about it. I enjoy being alive and experiencing the world.
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2016-08-23 at 8:16 PM UTC
Dispute this. If morality wasn't subjective but an absolutely objective truth. If we all had the same morality and that morality was derived from logic we would live in an utopian world without clit cutting and race wars.
I'm talking about the way the world is, not how it "should" be. If humans were purely logical then we probably would all kill ourselves. -
2016-08-23 at 8:20 PM UTC
If the most logical solution to life is to end it, I'm kinda glad that emotions and a sense of morality exist in people even if it is subjective and people disagree about it. I enjoy being alive and experiencing the world.
I'd love to live in The Matrix, as well but sadly life is terrible for most people on this planet. I'm glad you enjoy your life but I can assure you the little girl in the Congo that just got her love pearl cut off doesn't. Your emotions limit your horizon to subjective pleasure and that's what you call life and experiencing things but you are just on the hunt for dopamine like all human beings.
Without your, by emotions clouded and flawed thinking you'd realize that. There is no greater meaning to anything so by God and the powers of the universe enjoy your life as much as you can. -
2016-08-23 at 8:44 PM UTCI just don't understand how living life by logic alone could be more enjoyable then actually being capable of feeling joy and pleasure. Maybe you can explain that for me?
The universe does not have a greater meaning. Personally I like to think the point of this life is to be the best I can be and enjoy it as much as I can. But that's subjective. Maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe there is something better. Maybe life would be better for everyone if we didn't experience any emotions at all. At least emotionless slaves don't care that they're slaves, right? Isn't that the logical conclusion to your line of thought? -
2016-08-23 at 11:09 PM UTC
I just don't understand how living life by logic alone could be more enjoyable then actually being capable of feeling joy and pleasure.
It isn't. They are also not opposites or mutually exclusive. You can be logical and derive great pleasure from that.[ Maybe life would be better for everyone if we didn't experience any emotions at all. At least emotionless slaves don't care that they're slaves, right? Isn't that the logical conclusion to your line of thought?
There wouldn't be a need for slaves without the emotion of greed so no. Total nonsense.
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2016-08-23 at 11:38 PM UTC
It isn't. They are also not opposites or mutually exclusive. You can be logical and derive great pleasure from that.
As long as you still have emotions to feel that pleasure with, yes, I agree that you can be logical and happy. I also agree they are not opposites or mutually exclusive, but I thought you were saying that it would be better if we didn't have emotions.There wouldn't be a need for slaves without the emotion of greed so no. Total nonsense.
It's not nonsense. Without emotions you would not do anything that makes you happy, you would not do anything personal, you would just be another cog in the machine doing whatever task was derived to be the most logical, which seems to be ending life itself. At least in this world I can be happy and enjoy my life even if those emotions are illogical or irrational, even if they lead to things like a subjective morality and all the shit that comes out of that, isn't that worth it?
But I am open to the possibility that I am wrong about this, let's say we modified humans to have no emotions and be purely logical. How's that better? What would we spend all our time doing? For what purpose? -
2016-08-24 at 12:13 AM UTCIt would be better to not base our moral decisions on emotions instead of logic. I don't think there would be a machine or system or anything, really. Emotions drive us as a species. Again, that sweet, sweet Dopamine. Evolution is an interesting thing. If we were able to engineer a perfectly efficient being that spreads the human gene and doesn't need emotions to be driven we would probably do that in the future. I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point, though. I don't really have a strong opinion on this.
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2016-08-24 at 12:34 AM UTCMorality is not subjective, for the reason that morality itself is a higher function of human behavior, and is geared toward success and survival, whereas a lack of morality is just that - non-existent. One cannot objectify something which does not exist for that person.
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2016-08-24 at 12:41 AM UTC
It would be better to not base our moral decisions on emotions instead of logic. I don't think there would be a machine or system or anything, really. Emotions drive us as a species. Again, that sweet, sweet Dopamine. Evolution is an interesting thing. If we were able to engineer a perfectly efficient being that spreads the human gene and doesn't need emotions to be driven we would probably do that in the future. I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point, though. I don't really have a strong opinion on this.
That's OK, I don't either, but I am enjoying the conversation. Moral decisions are emotional decisions; without emotion there is no reason or drive/instinct to see anything as right or wrong or good or bad. If the decision making process was based solely on logic we would instead decide what is illogical and what is logical, true or false, not what is right or wrong. But as I see it there's a problem with living that way. Without that sweet, sweet dopamine why do anything at all? Why bother spreading the human gene? Isn't suicide the most logical choice? After all there are no more human problems if there are no more humans. Even the pursuit of greater knowledge is logically seen as a waste of time and resources if we already know that it will all have been for nothing considering the universe will inevitably go cold leaving nothing. Isn't surviving just to survive is illogical? What's life without happiness?
