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Newcomb's Paradox Thread
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2021-11-13 at 1:05 AM UTC
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2021-11-13 at 1:06 AM UTC
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2021-11-13 at 1:08 AM UTCWho’s Borris
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2021-11-13 at 2:48 AM UTCOmega has left and made whatever prediction it made and that apparently won't change now regardless of my decision.
If the box is empty at this point, me picking B only would result in my getting nothing but A+B would give me $1000+0.
If the box is full at this point, me picking B only would result in me getting $1,000,000 whereas picking A+B will give me 1mil+1000.
You don't get brownie point for adhering to or beating Omega's prediction, the outcome of what is in B isn't going to change based on my choice, just what Omega thought my choice would be. -
2021-11-13 at 2:50 AM UTC
Originally posted by A College Professor no you DONT get both in that case unless Omega was wrong about you dude. and so far omega has always been right so you might want to re think that
You rethinking anything at the moment is going to affect literally nothing. What's in the box is what's in the box. -
2021-11-13 at 2:54 AM UTCThe 100/100 rate is probably cuz it knows life forms are simp lil cuckz who will cave and pick B.
This is Omega's subtle way of psychologically asserting itself as God by making you accept its omniscience.
Probably everyone got the $mil in box B but nobody had the balls to pick A+B before.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-11-13 at 3:21 AM UTC
Originally posted by Grylls Could have been an IOU
WHEEL OF FORTUNE ??????
Wheel of Fortune seems like the odds of winning some money are pretty good. There's only 26 letters and other people are helping you too. You'd have to be pretty dense to not get at least a couple of letters from the "word and/or phrase".
I also don't understand how enough people are watching these types of shows to make it possible for there to be an entire network dedicated it. Game shows are what you're forced watch while sitting in waiting rooms at your doctor's office or when you visit grandma at the torture den, I mean retirement home. The same applies to "The View" and "Dr. Oz", if you're regularly watching this then you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote...jk but I feel like some sort of consequence should occur.
....and I watch Teen Mom so you know I don't have high standards for entertainment.
Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune get passes because they are iconic and one of them is educational but most of them are the very definition of lame white people doing cooky things for money.
Don't even get me started on the Price is Right, just thinking about the dirty cheating that goes on in that show gets me all hot. First of all, it's on like at 10am on weekdays so only sad lonely boomers and deadbeats have time to watch it.
What really gets me though is there's always that person who outbids another contestant by "$1.00" . I saw an episode once when in the lobby of a doctor's office and the same woman had four people all do that trick to her. Each new person that "came on down" was in the spot after her and each person made this dickhole move and won the round.
If it is just one person that does it, 'bad apple' is what may come to mind. But having multiple people doing that to the same person means there is a systemic problem in the game show attendee system....that reminds me of something else but I can't quite put my finger on it....The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-11-13 at 3:40 AM UTC
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2021-11-13 at 4:19 AM UTC
Originally posted by Nigger Nintendo Omega has left and made whatever prediction it made and that apparently won't change now regardless of my decision.
If the box is empty at this point, me picking B only would result in my getting nothing but A+B would give me $1000+0.
If the box is full at this point, me picking B only would result in me getting $1,000,000 whereas picking A+B will give me 1mil+1000.
You don't get brownie point for adhering to or beating Omega's prediction, the outcome of what is in B isn't going to change based on my choice, just what Omega thought my choice would be.
You don't get brownie points for adhering to Omega's prediction - you get a fuckton of utility for it, but only if you take B. And odds are that no matter what you choose, you will be adhering to it. It is outside of your control. Whatever you pick is likely to have been predicted, so simply pick the answer that will reward you the most if that is true. Ignoring the fact that whatever you pick is likely to have been accurately predicted is silly. A+B will almost certainly only ever reward you with $1000. B will almost certainly reward you with $1000000. Simple as. -
2021-11-13 at 4:25 AM UTC
Originally posted by What_a_Kreep Don't even get me started on the Price is Right, just thinking about the dirty cheating that goes on in that show gets me all hot. First of all, it's on like at 10am on weekdays so only sad lonely boomers and deadbeats have time to watch it.
What really gets me though is there's always that person who outbids another contestant by "$1.00" . I saw an episode once when in the lobby of a doctor's office and the same woman had four people all do that trick to her. Each new person that "came on down" was in the spot after her and each person made this dickhole move and won the round.
New contestants on TPIR bid first, not after anyone. Also bidding over someone by a dollar isn't cheating. -
2021-11-13 at 4:29 AM UTCGetting all caught up on "determinism" and "retrocausality" and shit like some kind of brain genius is nerd shit. Doesn't matter.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2021-11-13 at 6:33 AM UTCOmega! Give me objective correctness! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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2021-11-13 at 11:10 AM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ New contestants on TPIR bid first, not after anyone. Also bidding over someone by a dollar isn't cheating.
hmmm...okay well, I don't know enough about that the show to confirm or deny this. but you definitely seem correct. I swear I saw this happen multiple times to the same lady in the episode. Maybe it wasn't back to back like I originally thought. she could have been outbid by $1.00 first round by a person who ends up winning and then this could occur again in the 3rd round, 5th round, etc.
BOOYAH! I bet you didn't think about that you nitpicking Nelly. jk ;) oh and I feel strongly on the matter that although the $1.00 overbid isn't technically cheating, it's sort of a dick move. -
2021-11-13 at 1:07 PM UTC
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2021-11-13 at 1:19 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai You don't get brownie points for adhering to Omega's prediction - you get a fuckton of utility for it, but only if you take B.
No, it doesn't matter any more to Omega's prediction what you do at this point, Omega already made its prediction and left.
If it predicted you would take A+B and then you pick B, you don't get an "I'm sorry I was wrong" from Omega, you just end up getting dick-all.
You have no idea what it predicted and what you actually do right now has no impact on what it predicted, it already made the prediction. That is explicitly part of the setup.
"Before you make your choice, Omega has flown off and moved on to its next game. Box B is already empty or already full."And odds are that no matter what you choose, you will be adhering to it. It is outside of your control. Whatever you pick is likely to have been predicted, so simply pick the answer that will reward you the most if that is true. Ignoring the fact that whatever you pick is likely to have been accurately predicted is silly. A+B will almost certainly only ever reward you with $1000. B will almost certainly reward you with $1000000. Simple as.
I'm not "ignoring the fact that whatever I pick is likely to have been predicted", it just explicitly doesn't matter at this point which one I actually pick.
No part of the setup states or even implies that my actual choice now will be able to affect Omega's decision in the past in any way. Omega just made a prediction in the past about how I would behave in the future.
Plus as far as I know this:
Omega has been correct on each of 100 observed occasions so far - everyone who took both boxes has found box B empty and received only a thousand dollars; everyone who took only box B has found B containing a million dollars.
Could simply mean the number of people who ever chose A+B was zero. Nowhere does it say anyone actually picked A+B before, just that everyone who did found B empty. "Everyone who did" could be nobody.
That could mean maybe everyone is given 2 full boxes but only chooses B because it might simply have determined that those who participate in its game will be pressured into choosing B by being presented the choice at all in such a setup. The only part that this hinges on, is believing whether Omega is truly omniscient or not. If you already believe that, you will pick B and affirm it. -
2021-11-13 at 1:45 PM UTCOr maybe if it knows all life forms are tricky like this, there was never a $mil in the first place because everybody chooses A+B. In that case if you pick B, you will be left with dick and then Omega isn't going to come back and say "oh sorry I never thought you'd pick B-only". There's no guarantee Omega will always be right.
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2021-11-13 at 1:47 PM UTCdalit dont get to choose.
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2021-11-13 at 1:52 PM UTCLanny could you please move this thread to Humanities
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2021-11-13 at 1:57 PM UTC
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