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THE MAGA PARTY!,,, the GOP is dead, republicans are going down with the dems,, get ready for THE MAGA PARTY lefty's
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Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Democrats don't believe in an open and free exchange of ideas and opinions. Rather, they believe only their ideas and opinions matter, while all opposing beliefs should be banned, harassed, manipulated, deleted and removed. That's what makes them a clear threat to any civilized democracy and what designates them as indisputable enemies of freedom and liberty everywhere.
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2021-05-07 at 2:56 PM UTCMaking
America
Gullible
Again
CNN
Opinion: GOPer files complaint against Democrat for telling the truth about Big Lie social posts
Opinion by Frida Ghitis
The campaign to deceive the American people is entering a new and dangerous phase. Now that most Republican elected officials in Washington have surrendered to the Big Lie -- the thoroughly debunked claim that former President Donald Trump won the November 2020 election -- they are moving to intimidate or punish anyone who provides evidence of their deception, or of their role in the lead-up to the most direct assault on American democracy in memory, the January 6 attack on the US Capitol.
On Thursday, the House Communication Standards Commission released a formal complaint by Republican Rep. Buddy Carter of Georgia against Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-California), who in March issued a report compiling the disturbing election-related social media posts of scores of Republicans.
Carter's complaint came after House Republicans all but solicited complaints against Lofgren from their members.
It all fits neatly with the effort to push out the conservative Republican Rep. Liz Cheney from the Republican leadership for her refusal to endorse the Big Lie, and the continuing harassment of Republican critics of Trump, alongside the relentless repetition of Trump's lie.
Reading Lofgren's social media review, a reasonable person would conclude many of the officials' posts helped contribute to inciting the events of January 6. Lofgren does not reach that conclusion explicitly, but she does suggest concluding that in her foreword. She lays out the evidence and recommends we consider the implications.
As she points out in the report, the US Constitution, in Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, prohibits anyone who has engaged in "insurrection or rebellion," from serving in Congress. She doesn't say they should be expelled, she simply cites the Constitution, and shows us what they said. The connection between their words -- not to mention Trump's -- and the January 6 rebellion is left for us to ponder.
That, apparently, is far too many facts for today's Republican Party.
The complaint against Lofgren has to be seen to be believed. Signed by Carter, it argues that by showing what members of Congress posted on social media, Lofgren violated rules of "decorum," and "disparage" them, in violation of House communications rules. If the evidence seems like disparagement, it's because the posts are appalling. They show the members incessantly telling their followers they had been robbed, that the election was stolen from them, and often saying they should respond with action.
Carter accuses Lofgren of inappropriately speculating about the motivation behind the posts, but his own quotes of her words show this is a stretch. Lofgren expresses concerns, and questions whether members violated their oath of office. "Like former President Trump," Lofgren wrote in the foreword, "any elected Member of Congress who aided and abetted the insurrection or incited the attack seriously threatened our democratic government. They would have betrayed their oath of office."
In her response to the complaint, Lofgren dismembers the accusations, showing point by point how her report does not violate House communications rules. "To the contrary," she asserts, "this Review is critical to our obligations." Far from intimidated, Lofgren restates her argument that the evidence from her report "could be the basis for a decision to expel members," based on the 14th Amendment's Section 3.
Carter's section takes up only 11 pages in Lofgren's nearly 2,000-page report. But it provides an arc of what happened to the party. On November 9, Carter says Trump and his backers deserve "our day in court." That was absolutely reasonable, but the rhetoric began changing as Trump promoted his lie.
As we know, they had many days in court. Dozens of court cases, recounts and other forms of scrutiny confirmed that Biden won. In fact, the government internet security agency formally concluded that "The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history." The 2020 election is the most scrutinized, verified, litigated US election.
Every effort to support Trump's claim that he won (by a landslide, he dares claim) has come up empty. But facts no longer matter. By the time the court cases were dismissed, Trump's acolytes had moved beyond asking for a hearing. Republicans keep fanning the flames. How would you feel if you believed that the man you chose was robbed of victory? Judges have said, on the record, that the rhetoric of politicians can spur violence.
By December, Carter was asking people to "Chip in to stop the steal," literally trying to cash in on Trump's lie, a pattern that has helped fill the coffers of Trumpist politicians. (Ironically, Carter accused Lofgren of politicizing the report by showing the fundraising link he posted!)
On January 2, Rep. Pete Sessions reported he had met with the Stop the Steal group, "I encouraged them to keep fighting ... look forward to doing MY duty on January 6th." Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who has backed QAnon, has nearly a hundred pages of social media posts in Lofgren's review. When Trump announced in December that there would be a "wild" gathering in Washington on January 6, she posted, "I'm planning a little something on January 6th as well."
Two days before the assault on the Capitol, Rep. Matt Gaetz warned, "Republicans will not leave democracy undefended on January 6th."
In the end, even after Trump's supporters stormed the Capitol, even after their calls to "Hang Mike Pence," Congress did certify Biden's victory. But dozens of Republican lawmakers voted against the certification. They voted to deny Americans their choice of president. Biden won the Electoral College 306 to 232; he won the popular vote by more than 7 million votes, and he had his victory confirmed in some 60 court cases. Still, 147 Republican lawmakers voted against his presidency. That alone sounds like an assault on US democracy.
Trump lost and Biden is president, but the campaign against his presidency, against American democracy is far from over. Trump has not relented. Just this week he issued another "proclamation," about his phony victory. Republican leaders make the pilgrimage to the former guy's pink retirement base in Florida to bend the knee, surrender their principles, and repeat his lie.
Trump rants about his imaginary victory to handfuls of Mar-a-Lago visitors in the evenings, and plots his revenge against the few remaining truth tellers in his party during the day.
Biden is president and Trump is not. But the contest over the November election, the battle over the truth about what Americans chose in last year's election, is far from over. The events of the past few days -- the push against Cheney, the review of Facebook's ban on Trump, the complaint against Lofgren -- all confirm that this chapter of America's history has not been closed. How the chapter ends will go a long way in determining the future of the country.
It's not a contest between liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans; it's one between plain truth and deliberate lies propagated by self-serving politicians at the expense of their country's democracy. -
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2021-05-07 at 4:26 PM UTCjoe vaun is kickin ass in AZ
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2021-05-08 at 12:23 AM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 Making
America
Gullible
Again
CNN
Opinion: GOPer files complaint against Democrat for telling the truth about Big Lie social posts
Opinion by Frida Ghitis
The campaign to deceive the American people is entering a new and dangerous phase. Now that most Republican elected officials in Washington have surrendered to the Big Lie – the thoroughly debunked claim that former President Donald Trump won the November 2020 election – they are moving to intimidate or punish anyone who provides evidence of their deception, or of their role in the lead-up to the most direct assault on American democracy in memory, the January 6 attack on the US Capitol.
On Thursday, the House Communication Standards Commission released a formal complaint by Republican Rep. Buddy Carter of Georgia against Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-California), who in March issued a report compiling the disturbing election-related social media posts of scores of Republicans.
Carter's complaint came after House Republicans all but solicited complaints against Lofgren from their members.
It all fits neatly with the effort to push out the conservative Republican Rep. Liz Cheney from the Republican leadership for her refusal to endorse the Big Lie, and the continuing harassment of Republican critics of Trump, alongside the relentless repetition of Trump's lie.
Reading Lofgren's social media review, a reasonable person would conclude many of the officials' posts helped contribute to inciting the events of January 6. Lofgren does not reach that conclusion explicitly, but she does suggest concluding that in her foreword. She lays out the evidence and recommends we consider the implications.
As she points out in the report, the US Constitution, in Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, prohibits anyone who has engaged in "insurrection or rebellion," from serving in Congress. She doesn't say they should be expelled, she simply cites the Constitution, and shows us what they said. The connection between their words – not to mention Trump's – and the January 6 rebellion is left for us to ponder.
That, apparently, is far too many facts for today's Republican Party.
The complaint against Lofgren has to be seen to be believed. Signed by Carter, it argues that by showing what members of Congress posted on social media, Lofgren violated rules of "decorum," and "disparage" them, in violation of House communications rules. If the evidence seems like disparagement, it's because the posts are appalling. They show the members incessantly telling their followers they had been robbed, that the election was stolen from them, and often saying they should respond with action.
Carter accuses Lofgren of inappropriately speculating about the motivation behind the posts, but his own quotes of her words show this is a stretch. Lofgren expresses concerns, and questions whether members violated their oath of office. "Like former President Trump," Lofgren wrote in the foreword, "any elected Member of Congress who aided and abetted the insurrection or incited the attack seriously threatened our democratic government. They would have betrayed their oath of office."
In her response to the complaint, Lofgren dismembers the accusations, showing point by point how her report does not violate House communications rules. "To the contrary," she asserts, "this Review is critical to our obligations." Far from intimidated, Lofgren restates her argument that the evidence from her report "could be the basis for a decision to expel members," based on the 14th Amendment's Section 3.
Carter's section takes up only 11 pages in Lofgren's nearly 2,000-page report. But it provides an arc of what happened to the party. On November 9, Carter says Trump and his backers deserve "our day in court." That was absolutely reasonable, but the rhetoric began changing as Trump promoted his lie.
As we know, they had many days in court. Dozens of court cases, recounts and other forms of scrutiny confirmed that Biden won. In fact, the government internet security agency formally concluded that "The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history." The 2020 election is the most scrutinized, verified, litigated US election.
Every effort to support Trump's claim that he won (by a landslide, he dares claim) has come up empty. But facts no longer matter. By the time the court cases were dismissed, Trump's acolytes had moved beyond asking for a hearing. Republicans keep fanning the flames. How would you feel if you believed that the man you chose was robbed of victory? Judges have said, on the record, that the rhetoric of politicians can spur violence.
By December, Carter was asking people to "Chip in to stop the steal," literally trying to cash in on Trump's lie, a pattern that has helped fill the coffers of Trumpist politicians. (Ironically, Carter accused Lofgren of politicizing the report by showing the fundraising link he posted!)
On January 2, Rep. Pete Sessions reported he had met with the Stop the Steal group, "I encouraged them to keep fighting … look forward to doing MY duty on January 6th." Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who has backed QAnon, has nearly a hundred pages of social media posts in Lofgren's review. When Trump announced in December that there would be a "wild" gathering in Washington on January 6, she posted, "I'm planning a little something on January 6th as well."
Two days before the assault on the Capitol, Rep. Matt Gaetz warned, "Republicans will not leave democracy undefended on January 6th."
In the end, even after Trump's supporters stormed the Capitol, even after their calls to "Hang Mike Pence," Congress did certify Biden's victory. But dozens of Republican lawmakers voted against the certification. They voted to deny Americans their choice of president. Biden won the Electoral College 306 to 232; he won the popular vote by more than 7 million votes, and he had his victory confirmed in some 60 court cases. Still, 147 Republican lawmakers voted against his presidency. That alone sounds like an assault on US democracy.
Trump lost and Biden is president, but the campaign against his presidency, against American democracy is far from over. Trump has not relented. Just this week he issued another "proclamation," about his phony victory. Republican leaders make the pilgrimage to the former guy's pink retirement base in Florida to bend the knee, surrender their principles, and repeat his lie.
Trump rants about his imaginary victory to handfuls of Mar-a-Lago visitors in the evenings, and plots his revenge against the few remaining truth tellers in his party during the day.
Biden is president and Trump is not. But the contest over the November election, the battle over the truth about what Americans chose in last year's election, is far from over. The events of the past few days – the push against Cheney, the review of Facebook's ban on Trump, the complaint against Lofgren – all confirm that this chapter of America's history has not been closed. How the chapter ends will go a long way in determining the future of the country.
It's not a contest between liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans; it's one between plain truth and deliberate lies propagated by self-serving politicians at the expense of their country's democracy.
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2021-05-08 at 1:22 PM UTCThe election thieves are getting terrified in Arizona. They've just sent in their hand puppet Democrat Deputy Attorney General to harass the auditors. Showing their hand.
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2021-05-08 at 1:26 PM UTCthe poopy is nearing the fan
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2021-05-08 at 1:49 PM UTCMunch on this you
Arrogant
Giuliani
Asshole
The Hill
Michael Cohen on Giuliani's legal fees: He won't get 'two cents' from Trump
Celine Castronuovo
Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen on Friday responded to reports that allies of Rudy Giuliani are pressing the former president's team to help pay for his growing legal bills, with Cohen predicting that Trump won't pay Giuliani "two cents."
Cohen, former President Trump's longtime "fixer" who in recent years has become one of his most vocal critics, told MSNBC's Joy Reid during an interview Friday that Giuliani shouldn't expect any financial support from the former president.
"He's going to get stiffed. All right?" Cohen said, adding that Trump "does not pay legal bills."
"Nor does he learn from his previous mistakes, which is the same exact thing that he did to me," Trump's former lawyer added. "He doesn't care about anyone or anything other than himself."
The New York Times first reported this week that Giuliani's advisers were in talks with Trump's team and attempting to get them to use some of the funds in their $250 million campaign bank account to reimburse the attorney for his work in the multi-state legal effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election.
The requests to Trump's team reportedly increased after FBI agents executed a search warrant on Giuliani's apartment and office in which they obtained electronic devices as part of a probe into the embattled attorney's dealings with Ukrainian oligarchs.
Reid on Friday asked Cohen, who was sentenced to three years in prison in 2018, if he was "surprised" that Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor and New York City mayor, "didn't try to get paid up front."
"He thought Donald Trump was going to pay him $140,000 a day. He has a better chance of sling-shooting himself to the moon," Cohen responded while laughing.
"It's impossible, Donald Trump wouldn't pay him two cents," he continued. "Because his feeling is, it is an honor and a privilege to go to prison for him, to do his dirty work."
Cohen, who later in the interview called Giuliani "dopey," said he wanted to "welcome" the fellow ex-personal attorney of Trump to the "the under-the-bus club."
Cohen in 2018 pleaded guilty in two separate cases, one brought by former special counsel Robert Mueller for allegations of lying to Congress, and the other from New York prosecutors over allegations of tax and bank fraud.
Last week, the former Trump lawyer commented during an appearance on MSNBC's "The Beat with Ari Melber" that Giuliani knows "he's in big trouble," adding that the raid of his apartment was a sign of the "chickens coming home to roost."
"He knows that it's not going to end well," Cohen said at the time. "So, unlike what happened with me, unlike you know Manafort, who took it to trial, or Roger Stone, who went to trial - I didn't, I pled guilty, and I got 36 months."
He went on to argue that Giuliani was "only right now imagining what does he have to do in order to stay out of prison because Rudy Giuliani has no interest in being in prison during the golden years of his life, that I can assure you."
