2017-03-10 at 9:25 PM UTC
-SpectraL
coward
[the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
Originally posted by NARCassist
so are you saying the perfection of life and the universe is proof of a creator?
Let's put it another way. You are walking along the road, and on your right appears a luxurious mansion, with marble sculptures outlaying its perimeter, elegant walkways leading up to the house, with the mansion itself decked out with 40 rooms, balconies, richly draped windows, strong chimneys. So you go into the house to discover pristine antique furniture of superior craftsmanship, plush carpets throughout, spiral stairways, and cathedral ceilings, with murals inlaid therein. You peek into all the rooms one by one, and find each one carefully arranged and decorated in its own unique style. Then you say to yourself, "This all got here by itself. It was an accident. Over billions of years, this mansion formed itself, and everything in and around it came about by pure chance. No one made it. No one worked on it. No one thought any of it out in advance." This is the "logic" of the evolution theorist. Creation, in itself, is 100% indisputable proof of a superior creator, just the same as the mansion also had intelligent design. But Satan himself has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the the truth of all God's good works may not shine through.
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2017-03-10 at 9:36 PM UTC
-SpectraL
coward
[the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
I could put it another way: mathematically. Imagine you have a puzzle in the box, which has 1,000 pieces. The puzzle is unsolved and still sealed inside the box. Just a bunch of pieces jumbled together inside. So you shake the box once. Will the puzzle pieces come together inside the box into the solved picture? How about if you shake it ten times. Will the puzzle be completed inside the box then? How about a million shakes? Or 100 billion shakes? This is the "logic" of the evolution theorist; that if you shook that box enough times, eventually the pieces would come together, in the right order, by themselves. Sounds good when you say it, but in a physical sense? Mathematically? You could shake that box to infinity and the complete puzzle will never ever surface. This is because the odds of that kind of result is so close to infinity as to actually be as good as infinite. It will never, ever, happen, no matter how forceful the claims of evolution theorists to the contrary.
2017-03-10 at 9:41 PM UTC
i believe science is a god, if that counts. i don't see religion and science as separable constructs.
2017-03-10 at 9:47 PM UTC
"math is just a religion system that actually works" - rdfrn era sploo
2017-03-10 at 9:51 PM UTC
-SpectraL
coward
[the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
Science is a concept. It is not alive. It does not have a body. It does not have a brain. Science is merely a tool, not the wielder of the tool.
2017-03-10 at 9:58 PM UTC
if you were able to view all of science at once, not attached to our physical reality, do you think the structure would resemble an entity? a "god" of sorts.
2017-03-10 at 9:59 PM UTC
I was a Christian for about 27 years before coming to my senses. I'll get into it more later.
2017-03-10 at 10:12 PM UTC
some people just don't know how 2 logic
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2017-03-10 at 10:21 PM UTC
I maintain the strong conviction that anybody who believes in any sort of structured spiritual teaching is a total fucking wanker. I don't care if you believe in something beyond what we can objectively see today, but if you believe that "only the Catholics are right" you're fucking dumb. It baffles me to think that there are so many who think "Yes, my sect of humans got the deities right. We know exactly what God wants."
You really think God is so petty as to care about if you eat pig or if you eat red meat on the wrong day? Like goddamn. How egotistical can you be to trust some prophets who died hundreds or thousands of years ago. Just because people are dead doesn't make them trustworthy. I have never, ever met a self proclaimed XXXXX who has actually done any research into the books. They just believe blindly and never question where the bible or its teachings come from. The same goes for any religious idiot.
I believe in something beyond but I'd be fooling myself if I said with any conviction that I knew for sure what it was. Much less what the fuck any possible spirits want. All I've got is a feeling. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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2017-03-10 at 10:25 PM UTC
DocFoster
Tuskegee Airman
[concentrate my unpalatable boomer]
Somewhat. Traditional Christianity is a bit suffocating for me. Religion should be an excuse to love and help, not to hate.
Whatsoever you do to the least among us, you do also to me.
And the verses about the holy man not proclaiming his almsgiving and fasting on the street, for what is done in secret is seem and you will be rewarded, and he who blows a trumpet for his charity has already received his reward
Basically, be good to one another. Life is too short to spend all your time hating, especially just due to what someone is
2017-03-10 at 10:30 PM UTC
-SpectraL
coward
[the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
It comes down to this, as fantastic as it seems. It's armies of alien beings, all being led by the greatest of them all, a being we call, God. And they use pure science. There's really no hocus-pocus involved. None. No magic. Nothing out of this world at all. Just pure science. They have lived for billions of years, possibly longer. Their knowledge of the sciences is the best there can be. Force fields, magnetic fields, quantum interactions, molecular transportation and the like is child's-play to them. Can you imagine the wealth of knowledge we would have in 100 billions years? We would be able to traverse time, move mountains from here to there, cure all diseases, eliminate death itself, transport ourselves around the galaxy instantly, explore entirely new dimensions of time and space. And that's exactly what "angels" and "demons" are and what they can do. They are invisible to us because their technology allows it, and because they know we are not ready to see even a part of the whole truth. There are bad armies of these aliens, what our forefathers would call demons, and there are good armies of these aliens, which our forefathers would have called angels. Some turned away from the galactic union, but they still have the knowledge and the power and the know-how of the good ones, because they are just as old, they have lived just as long, and they have learned just as much. They travel in ships we cannot see. Great ships, powered by the most amazing science we could ever dream of. They built our world. They designed us. They experimented and created everything we know. It took them thousands of years. And they are still out there. Watching. Waiting. They are patient, because they are wise, and they are thoughtful, and they are long-lived.
2017-03-10 at 10:34 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL
It comes down to this, as fantastic as it seems. It's armies of alien beings, all being led by the greatest of them all, a being we call, God. And they use pure science. There's really no hocus-pocus involved. None. No magic. Nothing out of this world at all. Just pure science. They have lived for billions of years, possibly longer. Their knowledge of the sciences is the best there can be. Force fields, magnetic fields, quantum interactions, molecular transportation and the like is child's-play to them. Can you imagine the wealth of knowledge we would have in 100 billions years? We would be able to traverse time, move mountains from here to there, cure all diseases, eliminate death itself, transport ourselves around the galaxy instantly, explore entirely new dimensions of time and space. And that's exactly what "angels" and "demons" are and what they can do. They are invisible to us because their technology allows it, and because they know we are not ready to see even a part of the whole truth. There are bad armies of these aliens, what our forefathers would call demons, and there are good armies of these aliens, which our forefathers would have called angels. Some turned away from the galactic union, but they still have the knowledge and the power and the know-how of the good ones, because they are just as old, they have lived just as long, and they have learned just as much. They travel in ships we cannot see. Great ships, powered by the most amazing science we could ever dream of. They built our world. They designed us. They experimented and created everything we know. It took them thousands of years. And they are still out there. Watching. Waiting. They are patient, because they are wise, and they are thoughtful, and they are long-lived.
You sure you're not a hatter by profession instead of a roofer?
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