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2020-09-23 at 2:51 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed Again you keep dismissing the territorial disputes as if they're not real. Or is it just a case that you don't care if people there die because deep down you're just an edgy teenager who wants America to lose? You're not being very clear. If you honestly believe the US should leave so the PRC can have a free hand making war on its neighbours, then just say so.
What I'm asking is - how does this affect you? You talk as though you're under threat from China.
I'm not particularly interested in the specifics of territorial disputes - they're not something I feel that external parties should be deeply involved in, especially since the US is keeping several of them unresolved because a resolution would benefit China. -
2020-09-23 at 3:20 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra What I'm asking is - how does this affect you? You talk as though you're under threat from China.
I'm not particularly interested in the specifics of territorial disputes - they're not something I feel that external parties should be deeply involved in, especially since the US is keeping several of them unresolved because a resolution would benefit China.
Do you really think it's that odd that I don't want hundreds of thousands of people killed? Probably including Vietnamese soldiers.
I mean look I'm a bit of a dick but I don't wish mass murder on anyone. Which again, if you had your way is exactly what would happen.
Not to mention the kind of pressure that could be exerted on countries like Australia if the PRC had access to all the Naval bases it wanted. We're under their thumb enough as it is. -
2020-09-23 at 3:28 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed Do you really think it's that odd that I don't want hundreds of thousands of people killed? Probably including Vietnamese soldiers.
I mean look I'm a bit of a dick but I don't wish mass murder on anyone. Which again, if you had your way is exactly what would happen.
Not to mention the kind of pressure that could be exerted on countries like Australia if the PRC had access to all the Naval bases it wanted. We're under their thumb enough as it is.
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2020-09-23 at 3:36 AM UTCpeople die every day, and as far as that goes I'm more concerned with what's currently happening than what China *might* do in the future.
I'd say Australia isn't really in a position to point fingers at China anyway, considering our history from woodchippering the Aborigines to supporting Suharto.
I actually found it really amusing that the federal government openly accused China of using the COVID outbreak as an excuse to 'violate human rights' when the Victorian government was kicking in peoples' doors and arresting them for posting anti-mask stuff on facebook.
Point is - the world is changing whether you like it or not. There are no good and bad guys, which is what most people seem to have such a hard time accepting. States and alliances don't stay in stasis forever, and all of them are so corrupt and dysgenic that I would never want them to be.
I wouldn't want the world to continue slowly circling the drain forever just because the status quo lets me get fat and live to 90. -
2020-09-23 at 3:41 AM UTChe probably doesnt even know about US sponsored genocide in indonesia.
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2020-09-23 at 3:50 AM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny he probably doesnt even know about US sponsored genocide in indonesia.
I always found the KUBARK manuals most amusing. there are notes written in the margins in the leaked/FOIA copy.
"Do not threaten to kill a subject - if they call your bluff you will be forced to ki-" - the rest is scribbled out with DO NOT DO THIS IT'S ILLEGAL!! written in the margin -
2020-09-23 at 4:04 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I always found the KUBARK manuals most amusing. there are notes written in the margins in the leaked/FOIA copy.
"Do not threaten to kill a subject - if they call your bluff you will be forced to ki-" - the rest is scribbled out with DO NOT DO THIS IT'S ILLEGAL!! written in the margin
now i'll have to read that. -
2020-09-23 at 4:27 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra people die every day, and as far as that goes I'm more concerned with what's currently happening than what China *might* do in the future.
I'd say Australia isn't really in a position to point fingers at China anyway, considering our history from woodchippering the Aborigines to supporting Suharto.
I actually found it really amusing that the federal government openly accused China of using the COVID outbreak as an excuse to 'violate human rights' when the Victorian government was kicking in peoples' doors and arresting them for posting anti-mask stuff on facebook.
Point is - the world is changing whether you like it or not. There are no good and bad guys, which is what most people seem to have such a hard time accepting. States and alliances don't stay in stasis forever, and all of them are so corrupt and dysgenic that I would never want them to be.
I wouldn't want the world to continue slowly circling the drain forever just because the status quo lets me get fat and live to 90.
So you're just bored of Pax Americana, and want China to go back to the last millenia and have vassal states not because you think anyones life will actually improve, but because why-not-lol?
You are right. The world is changing whether I like it or not. And America cannot dominate the world forever. But China is not going to be the one to do it. Most overhyped regional power ever. -
2020-09-23 at 4:29 AM UTCIf you think half the world aren't vassal states already you are sorely misinformed.
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2020-09-23 at 4:30 AM UTCAgain, you continue to compare the western finger up the but hole with the chinese communist anal fisting.
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2020-09-23 at 4:36 AM UTC
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2020-09-23 at 4:48 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2020-09-23 at 4:52 AM UTCBefore we worry about anything like that we first need to establish what the purpose of the state is - my argument would be to serve and work to the benefit of its people, though that does not appear to be a popular perspective among the powers that be
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2020-09-23 at 4:56 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Before we worry about anything like that we first need to establish what the purpose of the state is - my argument would be to serve and work to the benefit of its people, though that does not appear to be a popular perspective among the powers that be
states are just formalized mobs. -
2020-09-23 at 5:02 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Before we worry about anything like that we first need to establish what the purpose of the state is - my argument would be to serve and work to the benefit of its people, though that does not appear to be a popular perspective among the powers that be
I quite liked 'Anatomy of the State'. Which was the hot Anarcho-capitalist take by Rothbard.
The thing is he was pretty much 100% on the money, but I'm still not an Ancap. -
2020-09-23 at 5:25 AM UTCGot a summary?
This is really going off topic, but my belief is that human progress in any area is primarily driven by individuals who are exceptionally skilled and talented. Thus in order to maximise human development, we need to find these individuals and give them the resources they need to do their best work. Without going into too much detail, most modern state systems do the opposite; trapping people into a cycle of hedonism and lassitude so that they can be milked indefinitely, with their potential being used to simply add to an oligarch's pile of gold -
2020-09-23 at 5:30 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed Again, you continue to compare the western finger up the but hole with the chinese communist anal fisting.
China seems to be a better partner. Western papers were trying g to condemn China's role in making unsustainable infrastructure loans to Sri Lanka regarding a port.
Compared to the imf the loan seemed pretty reasonable. A port, lease and loan not a looted country. -
2020-09-23 at 5:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by Nil China seems to be a better partner. Western papers were trying g to condemn China's role in making unsustainable infrastructure loans to Sri Lanka regarding a port.
Compared to the imf the loan seemed pretty reasonable. A port, lease and loan not a looted country.
yeah the accusations of 'debt trap diplomacy' are really just the US fuming that someone's undercutting the IMF's action. for all the loans I've actually looked into the terms have not been nearly as punitive as those the IMF imposed in the 90s-2000sThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-09-23 at 11:01 AM UTCInteresting conversation 😁
