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Communist China releases propaganda depicting bombing of Guam
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2020-09-22 at 11:43 PM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed Your third way Utopia is completely unrealistic though.
Either the USN is dominant in waters that are important to our survival, or the PLN is. I may not like the former but the latter is many times worse.
at which point in history did china force their way of life unto helpless barbarians ? -
2020-09-22 at 11:44 PM UTC
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2020-09-22 at 11:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Even if US agitation is behind the Hong Kong umbrella movement and all that jazz. I don't even really care, China can go fuck itself, communism is cancer and it ought to have been eradicated from the face of the Earth a long, long, time ago.
China can explode, the US economy will take a hit because all manufacturing jobs are over there. But bonus, because guess what now the US has to bring all those jobs back to their continent. Europe can do business with Russia as far as the energy markets are concerned at least and then we can turn our attention to eradicating communist and Marxist/Leninist revolutionary groups like BLM and Antifa in our respective domestic domains.
you seems to forgot the reason those jobs left US in the first place : because "american" workers demand 5 dollars worth of wages for a dollars worth of work.
that, and unproductive, sweaty, affirmative-action-hire niggers that sweat even as they sit idly by and do nothing but consume oxygen. -
2020-09-22 at 11:53 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL No, they aren't. They're sticking their long noses into Taiwan to try and antagonize China into an attack.
Strengthening Taiwan is the way to prevent an attack happening.
Only one side is going to initiate a military conflict - and that's communist china. Okinawa would be next. -
2020-09-23 at 12:18 AM UTC
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2020-09-23 at 12:25 AM UTC
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2020-09-23 at 12:28 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed Please, offer your insight.
How many wars of aggression has China fought vs. the US in the last 20 years? 50?
The point is China is approaching economic dominance but is nowhere near militarily dominant.
If the US loses primacy in one arena they will shift the conflict to an arena they feel more confident in winning. -
2020-09-23 at 12:31 AM UTChttps://www.rt.com/news/china-japan-okinawa-ownership-018/
This is from a pro-china news source. They're just rumblings now because of the military situation, but the SCS claims used to just be rumblings as well before they had an effective regional navy.
If Formosa was taken, Okinawa would 100% be next. They already claim the Tiaoyutai / Senkaku islands, which are under Japanese control. -
2020-09-23 at 12:35 AM UTCThat's quite a leap based on nothing more than territorial claims. China is not going to war with Japan over that.
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2020-09-23 at 12:36 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra How many wars of aggression has China fought vs. the US in the last 20 years? 50?
Less. What's your point? The middle eastern policy of the US is a different beast than the pacific policy.
China has territorial claims against India and Taiwan, and is pursuing military harassment against both. If there's a war it will be initiated by them.
Originally posted by aldra The point is China is approaching economic dominance but is nowhere near militarily dominant.
Do you genuinely believe that 10 or so period where they claimed 6.8% (8!!! wahhh so rucky and auspicious) GDP growth, every year?
Statistics are complete fiction in the PRC.
Originally posted by aldra If the US loses primacy in one arena they will shift the conflict to an arena they feel more confident in winning.
A naval/air war with China is 100% not in the US interests. The potential for escalation with a dominant regional power with nuclear weapons is alarming. This isn't Iran we're talking about.
What strategy do you think the US should pursue to prevent war in the pacific? Leave and just trust china to be a good and responsible actor? -
2020-09-23 at 12:38 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra That's quite a leap based on nothing more than territorial claims. China is not going to war with Japan over that.
I don't see a scenario in which China would risk going to war with over Formosa but not risk going to war over Okinawa.
Realistically, they will do neither. But the best way to drive the delusion from their mind is to arm the countries on their periphery. -
2020-09-23 at 12:39 AM UTC
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2020-09-23 at 12:43 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed Do you genuinely believe that 10 or so period where they claimed 6.8% (8!!! wahhh so rucky and auspicious) GDP growth, every year?
Statistics are complete fiction in the PRC.
Economic statistics are complete fiction anywhere.
GDP is a terrible measure of anything. What's more important is that the Chinese economy is based on production, not speculation. If they manage to complete their Eurasian economic pathways they will no longer be reliant on US markets and will encourage others to break free of US-controlled economic bottlenecks. This is why the US has been working so hard to sanction any Chinese-Russian allies and prevent any agreements with neighbours such as India.
Originally posted by rabbitweed A naval/air war with China is 100% not in the US interests. The potential for escalation with a dominant regional power with nuclear weapons is alarming. This isn't Iran we're talking about.
What strategy do you think the US should pursue to prevent war in the pacific? Leave and just trust china to be a good and responsible actor?
What they'll do, as they usually do, is escalate deniable 'hybrid warfare' until a military response is all but guaranteed, at which point they'll claim they're 'defending' themselves. -
2020-09-23 at 12:44 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed What strategy do you think the US should pursue to prevent war in the pacific? Leave and just trust china to be a good and responsible actor?
The US should take care of its internal problems before concerning itself with 'the pacific'. It's literally facing disintegration as a state.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-09-23 at 12:47 AM UTC
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2020-09-23 at 12:47 AM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock lovingly allowed lard-ass lanny the luxury of lapping the loins-leviathan while the little lad larps as a laotian ladyboy lapdancer--....-.....--........................................................................................(banned) false.
the aristocracy demands higher profits at the expense of workers. the money they save on labor doesnt result in lower priced products…it results in lower quality products at the same or higher prices with an increase in the bank accounts of the aristocracy.
go find the timeline charts that compare US income gaps and personal-wealth between the rich and middle class…then the chart that shows the import/export ratios of jhyna and the US. the peaks and valleys are identical.
exactly, nothing you post contradicks what i said.
the jobs went oversea simply because american workers wont let their bosses earn more. -
2020-09-23 at 12:49 AM UTC
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2020-09-23 at 12:50 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Economic statistics are complete fiction anywhere.
GDP is a terrible measure of anything. What's more important is that the Chinese economy is based on production, not speculation. If they manage to complete their Eurasian economic pathways they will no longer be reliant on US markets and will encourage others to break free of US-controlled economic bottlenecks. This is why the US has been working so hard to sanction any Chinese-Russian allies and prevent any agreements with neighbours such as India.
What they'll do, as they usually do, is escalate deniable 'hybrid warfare' until a military response is all but guaranteed, at which point they'll claim they're 'defending' themselves.
Why would the US want a war with China?
What purpose would it serve?
I'm realistic about the US. They do things in their own self interest. Some people think an Iranian war would be in their self-interest.
I struggle to see how a war against a dominant regional power would be in their interest. Or in Chinas interests, for that matter. -
2020-09-23 at 12:51 AM UTC
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2020-09-23 at 12:51 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra The US should take care of its internal problems before concerning itself with 'the pacific'. It's literally facing disintegration as a state.
Please. Such internal problems are nothing new in US history.
If the US let China gain ascendency in the pacific, Australia would be all kinds of fucked.
