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Communist China releases propaganda depicting bombing of Guam
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2020-09-23 at 12:54 AM UTCrabbidweed is the wariat of geopolitics.
imagine if US bombing shyna star trek. imagine that.
what do you fink stsr trek ?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-09-23 at 12:55 AM UTC
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2020-09-23 at 12:55 AM UTCRabbitweed is a cool guy.
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2020-09-23 at 12:56 AM UTCIt's not so much that they 'want' a war, it's that they don't want to lose economic dominance and they'll do anything to prevent it from happening. Look at Trump inviting Soleimani to a diplomatic meeting and having him assassinated, Pompeo the Hutt's rhetoric, or Hillary pushing to enact a no-fly zone over Syria and shooting down Russian planes. Their ultimatum regarding the INF and START treaties. Leaving the JCPOA and still trying to use it to punish Iran.
US leadership is dangerously reckless and unpredictable - they genuinely believe that no other country or power will hit back and that they're free to pursue whatever policy they want; that they cannot be held to agreements they themselves created. This may have been true 20-25 years ago, but not anymore. -
2020-09-23 at 12:57 AM UTCI talk about star trek, you talk about me, star trek talks about you. It's the circle of life.
Vinny is the poster child for why parents shouldn't tell their children they are smart and special. He'd be fine if he just accepted he wasn't well read.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-09-23 at 12:58 AM UTC
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2020-09-23 at 12:59 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed I talk about star trek, you talk about me, star trek talks about you. It's the circle of life.
Vinny is the poster child for why parents shouldn't tell their children they are smart and special. He'd be fine if he just accepted he wasn't well read.
Star Trek talks about me :)
I love that guy.
What does he say?? -
2020-09-23 at 1:01 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra US leadership is dangerously reckless and unpredictable - they genuinely believe that no other country or power will hit back and that they're free to pursue whatever policy they want; that they cannot be held to agreements they themselves created. This may have been true 20-25 years ago, but not anymore.
See you look at this as part of your broader "I hate american policy" narrative. Which I sympathise with, really I do. I think what they do in the middle east and even europe is ridiculous.
But Red China is a different beast. It's like Nazi Germany survived and now makes IPhones.
What you want to happen would cause so much death it's not funny. -
2020-09-23 at 1:02 AM UTC
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2020-09-23 at 1:03 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra It's not so much that they 'want' a war, it's that they don't want to lose economic dominance and they'll do anything to prevent it from happening. Look at Trump inviting Soleimani to a diplomatic meeting and having him assassinated, Pompeo the Hutt's rhetoric, or Hillary pushing to enact a no-fly zone over Syria and shooting down Russian planes. Their ultimatum regarding the INF and START treaties. Leaving the JCPOA and still trying to use it to punish Iran.
US leadership is dangerously reckless and unpredictable - they genuinely believe that no other country or power will hit back and that they're free to pursue whatever policy they want; that they cannot be held to agreements they themselves created. This may have been true 20-25 years ago, but not anymore.
funniest shit is they sanctioned ICC officials because its investigating US war crimes in afghanisthan.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-09-23 at 1:06 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed I talk about star trek, you talk about me, star trek talks about you. It's the circle of life.
Vinny is the poster child for why parents shouldn't tell their children they are smart and special. He'd be fine if he just accepted he wasn't well read.
whats the point of being well read if your reading all the wrong kind of reading materials.
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2020-09-23 at 1:07 AM UTC
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2020-09-23 at 1:09 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Why do you think China cares about anything more than 'winning' at trade? Sure borders are contested, but they've always behaved as a kingdom rather than an empire.
The borders are not only contested, they are pursuing their claims militarily. Why are you so dismissive of this?
The US is literally reacting to Chinese expansionism. -
2020-09-23 at 1:13 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed See you look at this as part of your broader "I hate american policy" narrative. Which I sympathise with, really I do. I think what they do in the middle east and even europe is ridiculous.
But Red China is a different beast. It's like Nazi Germany survived and now makes IPhones.
What you want to happen would cause so much death it's not funny.
nazi germany did survived and invaded the whole of europe and took over their laws, economy, borders, monetary policies and, and filled them with invasive refugees.
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2020-09-23 at 1:25 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed History.
Mao killed more people than Hitler and is still on their money.
Aren't you a descendent of boat people? Kind of a vote against communism I would have thought.
basing your opinion of china government of today on the doings of mao is like basing your opinion of trumps administration on past slave owning presidents.
and andrew jackson is still on their dollar bills.
but what about the queen ? more people were killed in her name than mao during her reign and you have no problem having her face of your, whatever your money is called. -
2020-09-23 at 1:26 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed History.
Mao killed more people than Hitler and is still on their money.
Aren't you a descendent of boat people? Kind of a vote against communism I would have thought.
I've talked about this before - before Mao there were catastrophic famines every year. The year that he began his reforms was the most dire of them because the entire country's economy and production base were retooled, but there was never a serious famine after that point. Without his reforms they never could've industrialised.
Western historians focus like a laser on that famine, disregarding the larger context - a lot of this comes from the fact that they only ever cite people that were upper- and middle-class who lost wealth and prestige, not the billions of peasants whose lives were improved immensely. That and the vested interest in denigrating competing economic ideologies.
Originally posted by rabbitweed Aren't you a descendent of boat people? Kind of a vote against communism I would have thought.
My father fought, but not for ideology or anything like that. Most people were swept into one side or the other based on where they lived. Even though he fought for the south he was well aware of the atrocities the US forces committed and was happy just to make it out alive.
It's juvenile to look at the world as a conflict between communism and capitalism; both are ideologies that have killed millions through starvation, mismanagement, war and general cruelty and both are doomed to failure. It takes more than an economic ideology for a functional society.
For all your talk of taking advantage of people 'less' than yourself I would've expected the underlying belief to be similar to my own but perhaps you're happy with just wealth and status or maybe you're just not there yet -
2020-09-23 at 1:27 AM UTCimagine having queens face on your dollar bills.
can you imagine that star trek ?
waht you fink ? -
2020-09-23 at 1:36 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I've talked about this before - before Mao there were catastrophic famines every year. The year that he began his reforms was the most dire of them because the entire country's economy and production base were retooled, but there was never a serious famine after that point. Without his reforms they never could've industrialised.
Western historians focus like a laser on that famine, disregarding the larger context - a lot of this comes from the fact that they only ever cite people that were upper- and middle-class who lost wealth and prestige, not the billions of peasants whose lives were improved immensely. That and the vested interest in denigrating competing economic ideologies.
Mao killed more people than the war against Japan and the Civil War combined. It was notable that it happened in peacetime as well. The idea that you need a murderous famine in order to industrialize is straight communist propaganda - all of chinas neighours industrialized to a much greater extent with zero famine.
Western historians are incredibly biased in favour of communism - hence why the holocaust is a much bigger deal than holodomor or the chinese great famine.
Originally posted by aldra My father fought, but not for ideology or anything like that. Most people were swept into one side or the other based on where they lived. Even though he fought for the south he was well aware of the atrocities the US forces committed and was happy just to make it out alive.
It's juvenile to look at the world as a conflict between communism and capitalism; both are ideologies that have killed millions through starvation, mismanagement, war and general cruelty and both are doomed to failure. It takes more than an economic ideology for a functional society.
For all your talk of taking advantage of people 'less' than yourself I would've expected the underlying belief to be similar to my own but perhaps you're happy with just wealth and status or maybe you're just not there yet
I think it's more juvenile to look at communism and capitalism and claim "whatever man they're all the saaaame". Ditto with looking at Red China in the pacific and the USA in the pacific. One is clearly a better alternative than the other, across the board, it's not even close. Doesn't mean that it's perfect, but it's so much better.
As corrupt as the RVN was, if it had remained a separate state it would be twice the nation the North is. Just like East Germany/West Germany, North Korea/South Korea, and PRC/ROC. The latter were all corrupt shitholes in their own right, but so much better than the alternative. -
2020-09-23 at 1:50 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed Western historians are incredibly biased in favour of communism - hence why the holocaust is a much bigger deal than holodomor or the chinese great famine.
lol no. That's not why they're so focused on the 'Holocaust' and I'm sure you know it.
Originally posted by rabbitweed I think it's more juvenile to look at communism and capitalism and claim "whatever man they're all the saaaame".
They're not the same, but they're both failed ideologies. Capitalism has starved just as many people as communism, just when it happens it's attributed to 'market forces' rather than an ideology that strips everything down to a dollar value and cuts costs to the bone. This book has some interesting insights.
Originally posted by rabbitweed Ditto with looking at Red China in the pacific and the USA in the pacific. One is clearly a better alternative than the other, across the board, it's not even close. Doesn't mean that it's perfect, but it's so much better.
This really just seems to come down to opinion rather than any concrete reason. Outside of the regions where there are territorial disputes, what threat do you think China poses?
Originally posted by rabbitweed As corrupt as the RVN was, if it had remained a separate state it would be twice the nation the North is. Just like East Germany/West Germany, North Korea/South Korea, and PRC/ROC. The latter were all corrupt shitholes in their own right, but so much better than the alternative.
There has never been a communist state that wasn't completely under siege from international economic interests - as a result it's impossible to guage its practical effectiveness. This is not a defense of communism; it's end goal is impossible and completely against human nature and development, but capitalism's end state is not much different. -
2020-09-23 at 2:17 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra They're not the same, but they're both failed ideologies. Capitalism has starved just as many people as communism, just when it happens it's attributed to 'market forces' rather than an ideology that strips everything down to a dollar value and cuts costs to the bone. This book has some interesting insights.
All the 'capitalist' famines happened either in war time, or in the 19th century. Maos Famine happened in peace time, in the middle of the 20th century, and dwarfed everything that came before it. You know as well as I do that westerners in university are sympathetic to communism.
Originally posted by aldra This really just seems to come down to opinion rather than any concrete reason. Outside of the regions where there are territorial disputes, what threat do you think China poses?
Again you keep dismissing the territorial disputes as if they're not real. Or is it just a case that you don't care if people there die because deep down you're just an edgy teenager who wants America to lose? You're not being very clear. If you honestly believe the US should leave so the PRC can have a free hand making war on its neighbours, then just say so.
Originally posted by aldra There has never been a communist state that wasn't completely under siege from international economic interests - as a result it's impossible to guage its practical effectiveness. This is not a defense of communism; it's end goal is impossible and completely against human nature and development, but capitalism's end state is not much different.
The US intelligentsa desperately wanted the USSR to succeed and were some of its biggest backers. Post WWII the communist bloc was an international economic interest.
