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2020-08-29 at 1:14 AM UTC
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2020-08-29 at 8 AM UTC
Originally posted by Speedy Parker Why do wealthy Canadians come to the US for health care?
Canada is small population wise, 35 million people, bordering on the US with 350 million people. Same reason a guy in Montana would go to California for a medical procedure. Also we don't base who gets medical treatment on how much they can afford or how much they're worth to some company. Might as well open the organ market while you're at it. Does your insurance plan include a kidney replacement?
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2020-08-29 at 12:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by Splam Canada is small population wise, 35 million people, bordering on the US with 350 million people. Same reason a guy in Montana would go to California for a medical procedure. Also we don't base who gets medical treatment on how much they can afford or how much they're worth to some company. Might as well open the organ market while you're at it. Does your insurance plan include a kidney replacement?
Now why do so many Americans travel to Canada, Mexico, or Europe for medical procedures?
So the reason wealthy Canadians get health care in America is that Canada is small? -
2020-08-29 at 1:14 PM UTC
Originally posted by Speedy Parker Why do wealthy Canadians come to the US for health care?
Myth #1: Canadians are flocking to the United States to get medical care.
How many times have you heard that Canadians, frustrated by long wait times and rationing where they live, come to the United States for medical care?
The most comprehensive study I’ve seen on this topic — it employed three different methodologies, all with solid rationales behind them — was published in the peer-reviewed journal Health Affairs.
Source: “Phantoms in the Snow: Canadians’ Use of Health Care Services in the United States,” Health Affairs, May 2002.
The authors of the study started by surveying 136 ambulatory care facilities near the U.S.-Canada border in Michigan, New York and Washington. It makes sense that Canadians crossing the border for care would favor places close by, right? It turns out, however, that about 80 percent of such facilities saw, on average, fewer than one Canadian per month; about 40 percent had seen none in the preceding year.
Then, the researchers looked at how many Canadians were discharged over a five-year period from acute-care hospitals in the same three states. They found that more than 80 percent of these hospital visits were for emergency or urgent care (that is, tourists who had to go to the emergency room). Only about 20 percent of the visits were for elective procedures or care.
Next, the authors of the study surveyed America’s 20 “best” hospitals — as identified by U.S. News & World Report — on the assumption that if Canadians were going to travel for health care, they would be more likely to go to the best-known and highest-quality facilities. Only one of the 11 hospitals that responded saw more than 60 Canadians in a year. And, again, that included both emergencies and elective care.
Finally, the study’s authors examined data from the 18,000 Canadians who participated in the National Population Health Survey. In the previous year, 90 of those 18,000 Canadians had received care in the United States; only 20 of them, however, reported going to the United States expressively for the purpose of obtaining care. -
2020-08-29 at 1:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe Myth #1: Canadians are flocking to the United States to get medical care.
How many times have you heard that Canadians, frustrated by long wait times and rationing where they live, come to the United States for medical care?
The most comprehensive study I’ve seen on this topic — it employed three different methodologies, all with solid rationales behind them — was published in the peer-reviewed journal Health Affairs.
Source: “Phantoms in the Snow: Canadians’ Use of Health Care Services in the United States,” Health Affairs, May 2002.
The authors of the study started by surveying 136 ambulatory care facilities near the U.S.-Canada border in Michigan, New York and Washington. It makes sense that Canadians crossing the border for care would favor places close by, right? It turns out, however, that about 80 percent of such facilities saw, on average, fewer than one Canadian per month; about 40 percent had seen none in the preceding year.
Then, the researchers looked at how many Canadians were discharged over a five-year period from acute-care hospitals in the same three states. They found that more than 80 percent of these hospital visits were for emergency or urgent care (that is, tourists who had to go to the emergency room). Only about 20 percent of the visits were for elective procedures or care.
Next, the authors of the study surveyed America’s 20 “best” hospitals — as identified by U.S. News & World Report — on the assumption that if Canadians were going to travel for health care, they would be more likely to go to the best-known and highest-quality facilities. Only one of the 11 hospitals that responded saw more than 60 Canadians in a year. And, again, that included both emergencies and elective care.
Finally, the study’s authors examined data from the 18,000 Canadians who participated in the National Population Health Survey. In the previous year, 90 of those 18,000 Canadians had received care in the United States; only 20 of them, however, reported going to the United States expressively for the purpose of obtaining care.
3 states. Lool -
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2020-08-29 at 1:44 PM UTChttps://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2018/06/11/canadians-are-one-in-a-million-while-waiting-for-medical-treatment/amp/
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/07/15/american-health-care-treats-canadians-who-cannot-wait/amp/
https://torontosun.com/news/national/canadians-continue-to-leave-the-country-for-health-care-says-new-report/wcm/c518fd42-f3b7-426c-9f4b-3b70a4d5a81a/amp/
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/canadians-come-to-america-for-better-care-1514410218
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/canadian-medical-tourism_n_5949b405e4b0db570d3778ff/amp
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/63-000-canadians-left-the-country-for-medical-treatment-last-year-fraser-institute-1.3486635 -
2020-08-29 at 1:44 PM UTC
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2020-08-29 at 1:47 PM UTCHow do a bunch of opinion pieces compare to that scientific study?
You know your government produces that propaganda to keep you convinced, right? -
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2020-08-29 at 1:52 PM UTCNooo nooo our way is good when Trump says it is u cuck liberal think for urself rather than corrupt establishment sources like science
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2020-08-29 at 3:09 PM UTCIn 1966, Canada implemented a single-payer health care system, which is also known as Medicare. Since then, as a country, Canadians have made a conscious decision to hold down costs. One of the ways they do that is by limiting supply, mostly for elective things, which can create wait times.
Please understand, the wait times could be overcome. Canadians could spend more. They don’t want to. We can choose to dislike wait times in principle, but they are a byproduct of Canada’s choice to be fiscally conservative.
Yes, Canadians chose this. In a rational world, those who are concerned about health care costs and what they mean to the economy might respect that course of action. But instead, they attack the system.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-08-29 at 3:34 PM UTCNot a single canadian i know complained about their health system and when they did, they acknowledged that they at least got it which wouldnt be the case if they lived in the states.
nbuff fucking said. -
2020-08-29 at 5:18 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe In 1966, Canada implemented a single-payer health care system, which is also known as Medicare. Since then, as a country, Canadians have made a conscious decision to hold down costs. One of the ways they do that is by limiting supply, mostly for elective things, which can create wait times.
Please understand, the wait times could be overcome. Canadians could spend more. They don’t want to. We can choose to dislike wait times in principle, but they are a byproduct of Canada’s choice to be fiscally conservative.
Yes, Canadians chose this. In a rational world, those who are concerned about health care costs and what they mean to the economy might respect that course of action. But instead, they attack the system.
Personal opinion with no facts.
Originally posted by Kev Not a single canadian i know complained about their health system and when they did, they acknowledged that they at least got it which wouldnt be the case if they lived in the states.
nbuff fucking said.
Anectdotal
