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Technologist: let's have a 'constructive conversation about systemic racism'
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2020-07-29 at 2:25 AM UTC
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2020-07-29 at 2:31 AM UTC
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2020-07-29 at 2:35 AM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe I summarized the "conversation":
Explain why you don't trust the wikipedia page on systemic racism or it's sources. Please offer your alternative theory on systemic racism, and reasons why we should trust you instead.
that's a long article, do you agree with everything it in? what do you think the most important point is?
I already talked a bit about what I think the main problems are - in short, 'Black America' is in a downward spiral where crime is rampant in black communities, which leads to disinvestment, which leads to no opportunities for 'legitimate' success, which leads to more crime.
Yes I think there are causes for this that relate to 'systemic racism', but they are not the only causes as poor white and mexan communities often face similar issues. When an area has nothing to offer nobody is willing to risk money improving it because there's little chance of return on investment. That's just basic capitalism.
In terms of 'systemic racism', there aren't many policies that explicitly target blacks anymore, but in many cases where the police or justice (sic) system are left to use their discretion the law is often applied unequally to blacks simply because they have to deal with so much black crime and anti-police attitude. -
2020-07-29 at 3:47 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra that's a long article, do you agree with everything it in? what do you think the most important point is?
I already talked a bit about what I think the main problems are - in short, 'Black America' is in a downward spiral where crime is rampant in black communities, which leads to disinvestment, which leads to no opportunities for 'legitimate' success, which leads to more crime.
Yes I think there are causes for this that relate to 'systemic racism', but they are not the only causes as poor white and mexan communities often face similar issues. When an area has nothing to offer nobody is willing to risk money improving it because there's little chance of return on investment. That's just basic capitalism.
In terms of 'systemic racism', there aren't many policies that explicitly target blacks anymore, but in many cases where the police or justice (sic) system are left to use their discretion the law is often applied unequally to blacks simply because they have to deal with so much black crime and anti-police attitude.
I don't disagree with most of what you've said, you've acknowledged that systemic racism contributes towards the downward spiral experienced by some ethnicities in certain countries, however I don't really understand why your focus is on black Americans while I mostly posted information on indigenous people in Canada. You are right, policies and popular opinions are changing, but systemic racism is a documented phenomenon that can and has happened and still does to an extent where individuals with racist perspectives are in positions of authority and power. -
2020-07-29 at 3:51 AM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe I don't disagree with most of what you've said, you've acknowledged that systemic racism contributes towards the downward spiral experienced by some ethnicities in certain countries, however I don't really understand why your focus is on black Americans while I mostly posted information on indigenous people in Canada. You are right, policies and popular opinions are changing, but systemic racism is a documented phenomenon that can and has happened and still does to an extent where individuals with racist perspectives are in positions of authority and power.
your confusing eggs with hens. -
2020-07-29 at 3:53 AM UTCMost people were talking about nigcraft and niggardry in the US, I don't know a whole lot about what goes on in Canada.
In terms of 'racist people in positions of power' there are a lot of legal mechanisms to address racial abuse of authority, I'd argue that in some areas there are far too many giving power to spurious accusers and reducing the effectiveness of governance due to the restraining effect of always having to be in compliance. That's why I ask for specific examples -
2020-07-29 at 4:05 AM UTC
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2020-07-29 at 4:30 AM UTC
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2020-07-29 at 6:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 A Google sampling of black vs. white pay:
In 1979, the average black man in America earned about 80% of the average white man ($15 versus $19 per hour). By 2016, this gap had grown such that the average black male worker earned just 70% of the hourly wage of the average white male worker. The data for women (panel D) show a similar pattern.
Disappointing Facts about the Black-White Wage Gap
Mostly due to a handful of rich white men, bezos, musk, gates etc. The same ones the feminists aspire to be. They don't aspire to be treated equally to the coal miner. It's not a black vs white issue, it's a rich vs poor. Even if there were no blacks, there'd still be wealth disparity. Take England for example. Some dialects are associated with lower class. -
2020-07-29 at 7:23 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2020-07-29 at 10:40 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2020-07-29 at 12:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Most people were talking about nigcraft and niggardry in the US, I don't know a whole lot about what goes on in Canada.
In terms of 'racist people in positions of power' there are a lot of legal mechanisms to address racial abuse of authority, I'd argue that in some areas there are far too many giving power to spurious accusers and reducing the effectiveness of governance due to the restraining effect of always having to be in compliance. That's why I ask for specific examples
Do you have a specific example of that? -
2020-07-29 at 12:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny but have no problem trading with countries with opressive religious or race laws, unless its china.
'oh no the uighyrs'
'oh no an extradition treaty'
'oh don't worry about all the yemeni weddings the Saudis keep bombing with our weapons, I'm sure it was a mistake, after the 8th or 9th time they'll learn their lesson'The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-07-29 at 12:18 PM UTC
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2020-07-29 at 12:20 PM UTC
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2020-07-29 at 3:20 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra 'oh no the uighyrs'
'oh no an extradition treaty'
'oh don't worry about all the yemeni weddings the Saudis keep bombing with our weapons, I'm sure it was a mistake, after the 8th or 9th time they'll learn their lesson'
china writes national security laws to extradite criminals in hong-kong, its own territory - bad.
US writes national security law to extradite foreign nationals in afghan, iraq, libya, syria, pakistan, almost the entire world to be sent to camp delta - good.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-07-29 at 6:14 PM UTC
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2020-07-29 at 11:10 PM UTC
Originally posted by Speedy Parker So is there systematic racism in contemporary South Africa?
You tell me. -
2020-07-29 at 11:13 PM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed In another thread, Technologist said:
I'm game. Let's have this discussion. To start off with, could you please e what 'systemic racism' is and why you think it exists? We can use the USA as a case study (unless you'd prefer another country ?).
One thing I ask is no linking to media stories. Hard facts and figures from governments are fine, links to studies are fine. But we'll get nowhere through "my editorial says this" "oh yeah, mine says this".
Let's begin!
she seems to be in yo mind 24/7 fella. you might want to have this obsession and any others checked out. maybe if tech has some free mins she can evaluate tcha...(Yes Tech I know you ain't in the specific field but just go with it for a day or so) -
2020-07-30 at 12:28 AM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny china writes national security laws to extradite criminals in hong-kong, its own territory - bad.
the whole argument was dumb if you look into it.
the media was claiming that people protesting in Hong Kong could be extradited to the mainland to face charges, but the text of the law explicitly stated that people could only be extradited if they had committed a crime in that country, ie. if you murder your girlfriend in Taiwan and flee to Hong Kong you can be extradited back to Taiwan... But if you murder your girlfriend in HK you're left to the HK justice system.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
