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2018-06-21 at 8:13 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Captain All roads leads to Rome, and work in my moral system.
If they have some ability to communicate with me and we can both assess each other to be able to form some kind of social contract, we could form a society with them just fine.
If they have the ability to communicate with us and have no interest in forming a social contract with us and try to violate our own rights, then they don't have a justification to save them if we (or someone else) kick their ass; they already forfeited their right for us to not be violent to them. If we forgive them, that is through either our magnanimity or foolishness. That, or we lose. I can accept that conclusion, because at this point (when dealing with a non-moral actor), any moral system devolves into might-makes-right.
If they have an interest in forming a social contract with us but no ability to communicate it, I would be highly surprised by the existence of such a being, but then they would do well to either steer clear and practice nonviolence towards us, and if I ever ran into them in the wild, one could use this behaviour to infer some sort of loose agreement to nonviolence can be reached and attempt to give it some moral consideration, like a cat or a dog, or even a small child.
If they have neither, I don't see them different than any other animal, and my response would depend on their behaviour.
My system remains consistent and applicable.
morality belongs to the strong. -
2018-06-21 at 7:46 PM UTC in ATTN: any woman on this website. I will DEBATE you.
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2018-06-21 at 7:35 PM UTC in ATTN: any woman on this website. I will DEBATE you.
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2018-06-21 at 7:29 PM UTC in 10 things I want to tell you
Originally posted by Dfg Not mine, credit goes to a random stranger on the internet.
Thank you for letting me go. I wasn't strong enough to do it for myself, but I'm strong by myself.
I hope you love someone the way I wanted you to love me
I learned a lot about myself in 3 year, I learned more the month that you were away.
Everything you told me I wasn't capable of doing, is everything I am doing.
I wasn't unhappy with my life, I was unhappy with our life.
I hope you never felt as alone as I did when I sat next to you on the couch.
I have a whole life to love, I'm starting by loving myself.
I hope you learn how to be kind.
I wish us the best, because I know we aren't bad people, we were just bad people to each other.
10.) This wasn't for you, this was for me.
sounds like a faggot just bursts out of its closet. -
2018-06-21 at 7:23 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-06-21 at 7:20 PM UTC in Today
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2018-06-21 at 7:18 PM UTC in I love cunnilingus...
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson From left to right.
1 maybe, but It would be a one nighter and only if she shaved.
2. She looks like she'd want to be slapped around so yes. (edit: wait, "she" has massive hands…ummm)
3. fuck no.
4. yep, freak…you know you'd get a blumpkin off that
stop thinking of abusing petting zoo animals. -
2018-06-21 at 7:14 PM UTC in ATTN: any woman on this website. I will DEBATE you.
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2018-06-21 at 7:09 PM UTC in Laterhow many times IRL did you see men 'ewwws' ???
do men really ewwws ???
do ewwws ... really come form men >??? -
2018-06-21 at 7:03 PM UTC in what information can be taken from an IP address?
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2018-06-21 at 7:03 PM UTC in what information can be taken from an IP address?
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2018-06-21 at 6:53 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny It's a practical approach. As you saw, I'm perfectly willing to consider consciousness and moral considerability that extends beyond humans an animals and doing so doesn't really pose any problems. But at the end of the day I need to choose what I'm going to eat for dinner and all I can act on is the best information available to be, which suggests that plants do not have the necessary mental attributes to suffer as a result of me eating them while animals do.
actually the choice is pretty obvious :
we are to eat what are meant for us to eat - FRUITS and honeys that we harvest with our mechanical bees.
fruits are what plants wanted us to eat, it was made for us and other animals. and honeys, do you know that flowering plants ORGASM when bees go and slurp their honeys ??? -
2018-06-21 at 6:41 PM UTC in World Cup 2018
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2018-06-21 at 6:37 PM UTC in The official horror thread
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2018-06-21 at 6:30 PM UTC in Random Thoughts
Originally posted by aldra I don't really understand why a trade defect is the other party's problem
produce more and import less if you're losing money in the long run
imagine if every toilet roll manufacturers in arsetrallia moved their factories to new zealand.
your choices are to have trade deficit or not wiping your ass. -
2018-06-21 at 6:25 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Obbe That's possibly just a human-centric or animal-centric approach to morality / consumption.
Imagine if we stumbled on a form of alien life that we didn't even recognize as life but was actually intelligent and felt pain from our experiments while we didn't even realize it. Would that make us evil? Or imagine if something with super-human intelligence stumbled upon us and saw us as just another resource to exploit … maybe come back to Earth every 10000 years to harvest new organisms, ideas, technologies. Just another experiment. Maybe it wouldn't even consider "suffering" to be something to be concerned about. Is that really evil? Or is it only evil 'to us'?
I guess my point is that I don't believe we have any obligation to die for the sake of some other form of life. And I do believe that eventually science will recognize that all forms of life, even plants, are intelligent to some degree and can suffer to some degree, and if your response to that is suicide I don't think that's going to achieve anything except people like me will still be here living life while people like you won't be.
or imagine if aliens that can communicate telepathically come to earth, and sees us unable to communicate telepathically,
just assumes us to to be not being able to feel pain.
becos they couldnt hear us scream. -
2018-06-21 at 6:22 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by A College Professor what if you give the animal some dope and cut its leg off and it wakes up and is happy again and you sell the leg to buy more animals to dope more animals up to cut more legs off to sell more animal legs to make more happy animals and so on
whay do you do to them after you took their leggs ??? -
2018-06-21 at 6:22 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny I'm not. People who argue plants have hedonic faculties generally state in the general form of "plants can react to stimulus, so they must be able to feel pain!" which I think is a really flimsy argument. In general I think this is a camp that takes some real and interesting findings in biology and draws wholly invalid conclusions from them. But Obbe did put it in the most interesting way the question can be framed, as a hypothetical.
So if we found that all life is capable of well being or suffering, which I've put forward as the criterion for moral considerability, then we need to ask what the distribution and degree of considerability is among species. If plants have a very slight hedonic faculty but humans a much greater one, then it may be justifiable to inflict the amount of suffering required for our well being on plants. For what it's worth I think this argument applies to animals too: the lives of humans are certainly more considerable than those of chickens and I would never say that a starving person is doing something wrong for eating a chicken, it's simply that when we have a choice between eating an animal, which is somewhat less morally considerable than us, and a plant, which I think is totally morally unconsiderable, then we do something wrong by harming the animal.
So what if plants end being capable the same or greater depth of feeling than animals? I think the situation is really pretty far fetched, but if it was the case then I guess most of us would be obligated to die since I doubt we could sustain a very large population on fruit or whatever other sources of calories are available to us without killing anything.
or you can just say plants dont have central nervous systems. -
2018-06-21 at 6:15 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-06-21 at 6:07 PM UTC in currently baking a cake^ #drugaddictprideworldwide
