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2016-10-24 at 8:38 PM UTC in Real Talk: The TruthMy apologies for not replying to this sooner.
No.
If someone were to argue that you are wrong and claim that truth is universally preferable, what would your argument be?yes
If someone were to argue that you are wrong and claim that the truth is not universally preferable, what would your argument be?I think the question is not if it is universally preferable but rather if it is universal.
I suppose that is a good point, definitions matter, I think the basic idea of Truth is that it is universally, objectively, absolutely true. Do you disagree?I would assert that the truth is universal.
… the truth inevitably finding it's way back to you and forcing you to acknowledge it, one way or another
I agree. Let's go with this for now. I saw this in another thread and thought this would be a more appropriate thread to discuss it:The truth is more important than happiness.
This is a great statement to question and something I had in mind when I created this thread. Is the truth more important than happiness? It appears that this is not true for everyone, I can probably dream up some examples of people who may prefer not to know the truth if it meant they will be happier. There's an old saying, ignorance is bliss. On the other hand we have all heard that "Knowledge is Power" and if truth is knowledge then knowing the truth gives you a sort of power, and power seems to make a lot of people happy. Power can be used to help or to harm. If there is a clear answer to this question I cannot see it, so please, tell me why you think the truth is more important than happiness, or tell me why you think happiness is more important than the truth.
Also, is honesty similar to truth? If you believe truth is more important than happiness, do you believe being honest is as important as knowing the truth? -
2016-10-22 at 7:17 PM UTC in Whoever said skating was for fags hasn't seen this.Or they don't watch hockey.
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2016-10-20 at 3:53 PM UTC in American foreign policy is completely fucked, what they hell are they doing?.
I'm actually writing a fairly long essay on the Syrian war because the way the mainstream media distorts it irritates me, will post it here once done if you guys are interested in reading it
I'd read that. -
2016-10-19 at 10:19 PM UTC in Real Talk: The TruthQuestion: Is the truth universally preferable over a lie?
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2016-10-19 at 6:36 PM UTC in If something is guaranteed, does it require faith?
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2016-10-19 at 3:29 PM UTC in You know what you should do?
poast a screencap m8r
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2016-10-19 at 3:23 PM UTC in What is Life?[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]All great teachers, from the very earliest ages, have consistently taught this doctrine; have taught that man's true life is derived from, and one with, the larger Cosmic Life - whatever name may be given to that great cosmic fact. They have also taught that this true inner indestructible life can only be realized by the individual in proportion as he abandons all attachment, by hope, fear, or desire, to outer temporary or phenomenal forms.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px] But we may now ask how - if all individual life and consciousness is in reality the One Life and Consciousness - we, and all other individual forms, have lost the realization of this oneness; how in fact, consciousness, as such, can ever lose its essential and inherent oneness; how we apparently see infinite degrees of consciousness; and how we ourselves may even doubt whether our life and consciousness will survive the disintegration of the outward physical form?…"[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]Consciousness, then, together with its correlative phenomenon, is how the One Noumenon is known; or knows Itself. In Itself and by Itself this One Noumenon is incognizable and unknowable. That is obvious, because a thing is known only by its opposite, or by relation and contrast; but in the Absolute there is neither opposite nor contrast.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px] But in a certain sense, an infinite One necessitates an infinite many. To be infinitely known or cognized, the infinite Subject demands an infinite Object; or rather, an infinity of objects (phenomena). The Infinite must know Itself in an infinite variety of ways.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]In the second place, let us consider how we as conscious individuals do actually make use of our consciousness. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]A little reflection will show us that our consciousness is for the most part directed outwards; it is almost wholly[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px] engaged with objective phenomena. Do we not, indeed, even take these phenomena to be reality, and live our life wholly therein; striving even to grasp and possess these fleeting shadows which we know must pass away?[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px] This fact, then which we find in the individual, may perhaps give us a clue to something similar operating in the universal; and - inadequate as any such concept must necessarily be - we shall at least have something not wholly inconsistent with our present knowledge and experience. Conceive, then, of the LIFE, the ceaseless activity of the One Noumenon, as being essentially of the nature of Self-realization by means of a creative process, which consists fundamentally in the objectivization, the outward presentation as phenomenon, of the Infinite contents of the One Self.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]In this view we cannot conceive of this creation as an act whereby something which is not-self is brought into existence. We must rather conceive that the One Self cannot help, as it were, the eternal expression of Itself by a process whereby It sees and knows Itself as Phenomenon as well as Noumenon, as Object as well as Subject; a process, in short, which is the eternal realization or expression of ITSELF.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]It is precisely this self-realization which constitutes our own life; which constitutes all individual life. Between consciousness and phenomenon there must always be an exact parallelism, however much we may limit consciousness, or in whatever individual forms we may locate it. The outward the objective, the visible, is ever and always the expression the symbol and sign of an inner subjective invisible self.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px] The outer phenomenal universe, then - infinite as the complement of an infinite subjective SELF - is not in reality the not-self. The One Self is in reality both Subject and Object, though the individual self is not; and the outer phenomenal aspect of this essential Unity can only be considered as a Not -Self by an arbitrary limitation or negation of the real nature of the self; a limitation, illusion, characteristic of all individual forms of consciousness as we at present know them.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]Let us conceive, then, that the consciousness of the One Self, the Universal Consciousness of Primordial Substance, entering in, as it were, or associating Itself with those individual forms which are the presentment of Itself to Itself: loses in those forms Its sense of Oneness or Unity; identifies [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]Itself for the time being wholly with the form; and regards all other forms as the Not Self. This entering in - which will correspond with the actual creation of the forms - will constitute the involutionary cosmic process, the formation or emanation of the phenomenal universe. The reverse or evolutionary process, is the gradual repudiation by the subject or self of the self-imposed limitation.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]Thus the great heresy, the great illusion, is the sense of separateness; while, on the other hand, the great secret of life, the great religion, the elixir, the philosopher's stone, that which frees the individual from all illusion, from all bondage, that which "brings immortality to light," is the realization of oneness with the Infinite Divine Life which lives, and moves, and is conscious in ALL.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px] From our own individual nature we thus obtain some hint, some dim conception of the nature of the great Cosmic Process: on the fundamental assumption that the universal is reflected in the individual and particular.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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2016-10-19 at 3:12 PM UTC in End Times SignsLatest events, October 19, 2016:
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2016-10-18 at 12:19 AM UTC in What is Life?It's copied and pasted gold, nigga.
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2016-10-17 at 11:41 PM UTC in What is Life?
It's the most original thing you've posted in this thread so far
So then you bothered to read what I've posted in this thread? -
2016-10-17 at 11:24 PM UTC in What is Life?
Hey that's the first post of yours I've bothered to read, good work
Thanks bro, it's the most effort I've put into this thread so far. -
2016-10-17 at 11:15 PM UTC in What is Life?At least your butt hurts.
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2016-10-17 at 11:09 PM UTC in End Times SignsLatest events, October 17, 2016:
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2016-10-17 at 11:04 PM UTC in What is Life?
Shut the fuck up
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2016-10-17 at 10:54 PM UTC in why are white people so awkward and nerdy?They see me mowin'
My front lawn
I know they're all thinking I'm so white and nerdy
Think I'm just too white and nerdy
Think I'm just too white and nerdy
Can't you see I'm white and nerdy?
Look at me, I'm white and nerdy
I wanna roll with
The gangstas
But so far they all think I'm too white and nerdy
Think I'm just too white and nerdy
Think I'm just too white and nerdy
I'm just too white and nerdy.
Really really white and nerdy.
First in my class here at MIT
Got skills, I'm a champion at D&D
MC Escher - that's my favorite MC
Keep your 40, I'll just have an Earl Grey tea
My rims never spin, to the contrary
You'll find that they're quite stationary
All of my action figures are cherry
Steven Hawking's in my library
My MySpace page is all totally pimped out
Got people beggin' for my top eight spaces
Yo, I know pie to a thousand places
Ain't got no grillz but I still wear braces
I order all of my sandwiches with mayonnaise
I'm a whiz at Minesweeper - I could play for days
Once you see my sweet moves you're gonna stay amazed
My fingers' movin' so fast I'll set the place ablaze
There's no killer app I haven't run
At Pascal, well I'm number one
Do vector calculus just for fun
I ain't got a gat but I got a soldering gun
Happy Days is my favorite theme song
I could sure kick your butt in a game of ping pong
I'll ace any trivia quiz you bring on
I'm fluent in JavaScript as well as Klingon
It's the part I sing on
They see me roll on
My Segway
I know in my heart they think I'm white and nerdy
Think I'm just too white and nerdy
Think I'm just too white and nerdy
Can't you see I'm white and nerdy
Look at me, I'm white and nerdy
I'd like to roll with
The gangstas
Although it's apparent I'm too white and nerdy
Think I'm just too white and nerdy
Think I'm just too white and nerdy
I'm just too white and nerdy
How'd I get so white and nerdy
I've been browsin', inspectin'
X-Men comics, you know I collect 'em
The pens in my pocket, I must protect 'em
My ergonomic keyboard never leaves me bored
Shopping online for deals on some writable media
I edit Wikipedia
I memorized Holy Grail really well
I can recite it right now and have you ROTFLOL
I got a business doing websites
When my friends need some code, who do they call?
I do HTML for 'em all
Even made a homepage for my dog
Yo, I got myself a fanny pack
They were havin' a sale down at The Gap
Spend my nights with a roll of bubble wrap
Pop, pop, hope no one sees me
Gettin' freaky
I'm nerdy in the extreme
And whiter than sour cream
I was in AV Club and Glee Club and even the Chess Team
Only question I
Ever thought was hard
Was do I like Kirk
Or do I like Picard
Spend every weekend at the Renaissance Fair
Got my name on my underwear
They see me strollin'
They laughin'
And rollin' their eyes 'cause I'm so white and nerdy
Just because I'm white and nerdy
Just because I'm white and nerdy
All because I'm white and nerdy
Holy cow, I'm white and nerdy
I wanna bowl with
The gangstas
But, oh well, it's obvious I'm white and nerdy
Think I'm just too white and nerdy
Think I'm just too white and nerdy
I'm just too white and nerdy
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2016-10-17 at 10:46 PM UTC in What is Life?
ele ctro magnetism is a religion
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]We may give what name we like to the Universal Self, to that Ultimate Reality in and by which all things exist, and live, and move, and have their being: and we may try to hang this ultimate truth on some particular peg - perhaps it is only by doing this that some can realize it in any degree at all - but whatever be the name or form given to it, the principle which underlies any possible form in which it can be stated must always be one and the same. It is this principle, rather than any particular form, which we shall endeavor to elucidate.
Many writers are writing about it today, some from one point of view, some from another. Those who read and understand are an ever-growing number. Moreover, we are learning more and more to realize in action our real powers: the hidden, deep, unsuspected powers of the inner man, the power of human [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]thought and will. And even as science has now discovered some of the hitherto unsuspected inner forces of the atom of physical matter, so also science itself is discovering that even within our very bodies lie powers deep and strong as the Infinite Itself. All the Cosmic Powers of the Universe are Man's did he but know how to utilize them.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]They are more than his, they are Himself.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]Whether a popular religion can ever be scientific and philosophical, may perhaps be questioned. Any attempt to bring down to a low level the highest achievements of human thought - not to speak of the transcendent insight of the seer or mystic - must inevitably be more or less of a failure. The history of all religions is a standing witness to this. Superstition survives, or re-asserts itself, even on the very foundations laid by the highest teachers the world has ever known.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]Nevertheless, it is not wholly beyond hope that, in an enlightened age, Religion may be, nay must be, scientific in so far as nothing which is known as scientific fact shall be found antagonistic to it, and philosophical in so far as it shall be rational and logical instead of authoritative.[/SIZE][/FONT] -
2016-10-17 at 9:10 PM UTC in What is Life?
You are a terribly boring writer, reading this feels like I'm peeling potatoes.
[SIZE=12px][FONT=arial]Now it would appear that at the present period in our evolution, a very large number of individuals - though perhaps not yet a preponderating proportion - have arrived at this third stage of intellectual and spiritual manhood which we have just sketched: the stage at which nothing can be accepted on mere authority
The intellectual, and even the religious thought of today is largely marked by a revolt against authoritative systems and dogmas which one hundred years ago passed almost without question. This state of things is bound to overtake sooner or later every system as a system, simply because as such it is a materialized thing. Thought, life, consciousness, are subtle, fluid, progressive; matter form, dogma, are inert, cumbrous, restrictive. The life, growth, evolution of Humanity, can never long remain fixed or materialized in any particular form; it enters into and flows through all but will not be restrained or condemned of any. History and the records of the past are strewn with the dead carcasses of authoritative systems which once exercised undisputed sway; and our present systems wherever they endeavor to limit and restrict, can only meet with the same fate. History will doubtless continue to repeat itself, for the same Principle is ever working therein.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=12px][FONT=arial]But it is necessary to note here that along with the present revolt, deeply underlying it, indeed, as the cause of it, is the larger intuition of a Truth not embodied in the present dominant system: or rather, not expressed in the present authoritative form into which that system has been hardened by ecclesiastical authority. A very large number of individuals at the present time have become more or less conscious of a spiritual truth as to their own nature which is the very antithesis of Materialism on the one hand, and of Supernaturalism on the other. The God within them has awakened; the 'crawling worm' theory of man's nature can no longer hold them in bondage; they are becoming conscious of their own inherent and inalienable divine nature.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=12px][FONT=arial]Intellectually it is seen that all science and all philosophy tend more and more to correlate and unify all phenomena and all nature, both subjective and objective; and the immediate deduction which we must make from the funda[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=12px][FONT=arial]mental principle of the Unity of the Universe is, that our own nature, in all its relations and proportions, is one with that Self-Existent Reality which must necessarily lie at the Root of all things; that Principle-by whatever name It may be called-which is the universe.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=12px][FONT=arial]This truth is not merely expressing itself intellectually in our literature: it is being realized - made a living truth - with ever greater intensity in the inmost nature of those to whom we refer as having passed the spiritual-babe stage. In some cases it is even thus realized before it is apprehended with any intellectual clearness; and in the effort to formulate it into a more or less logical system it is sometimes grafted with more or less success, on to some older and more authoritative system.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=12px][FONT=arial]But, in so far as this is sought to be done, the deeper truth which is thus dimly apprehended is almost bound to stultify itself. You cannot hang a universal truth or principle upon any particular peg or ism. You cannot shut up in any individual form that which lives and moves in all.[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=12px][FONT=arial] The realization of the oneness of the individual self with the Universal Self, with the Life and Consciousness which moves in all, is the keynote of the higher Truth which is now being realized in so many ways, in so many streams of thought all tending in the same direction and to the same result-a higher knowledge of the Self and its powers.[/FONT][/SIZE] -
2016-10-17 at 12:14 AM UTC in Psychedelics: A Most Sinister Plot
… the psychedelic experience … shaped our civilization in profound ways.
Certainly, and the same can be said about the "love experience", but maybe those changes are part of their plan.
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2016-10-16 at 10:21 PM UTC in I saw a brony IRL.
^I've never seen my lil poni or a broni irl, but I would go to a meet up to check it out. After that bdsm meet up, and you mentioning I should get a camera. I've started thinking that I should be a reporter and be more open to going to meet ups / events that I wouldn't normally go to, to see what its all about, what all the hub bub is.
What happened at the meet up? Did you get tied up? -
2016-10-16 at 8:48 PM UTC in Psychedelics: A Most Sinister PlotBasically I would caution you with this, this stuff is a portal to another realm, in a sense.
No, not just another realm of thinking, but by following and diving deeper into this stuff you may open yourself up to an other-worldly being. Now, most likely this will be a negative energy creation. Many of you are very intelligent, you know your materials, you've read the books, you've researched. But what I didn't know when I came here was that I was called here by something.
I can see the beast, the creature on the other side. This world is not our world. It does not belong to us.