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2016-10-28 at 9:53 PM UTC in i wana dieLife n deth r teh sam ting nd meen nothin u reetrd
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2016-10-28 at 9:39 PM UTC in Open Your Mind gets asked a question.Why?
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2016-10-28 at 9:34 PM UTC in Real Talk: The TruthTell me if I'm understanding you correctly; you're saying a part of you would rather be happy even if that means not knowing the truth, while another part of you believes that the truth is more important than happiness, and this conflict is causing you to experience cognitive dissonance. If I'm understanding you correctly, that's interesting. The next question this brings to my mind is which one should be more important, happiness or truth? Or does it even matter?
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2016-10-27 at 12:48 PM UTC in Real Talk: The TruthWtf
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2016-10-26 at 12:13 PM UTC in Real Talk: The TruthBump
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2016-10-26 at 10:35 AM UTC in Enter needs a date by this Friday!!! (srs)
IRL is superior because it takes away a lot of the anxiety of not knowing if the person is actually who they say they are, or even who I perceive them to be.
It's not like girls ever lie about who they are or act in a certain way around you to trick you into liking them or wear makeup and pushup bras to disguise how they really look. -
2016-10-26 at 9:58 AM UTC in Eons ago...Let me guess, you watched Joe rogans "triggered"?
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2016-10-25 at 4:08 PM UTC in Real Talk: The Truth
You need to make the distinction between telling the truth and the truth itself. I would argue that telling the truth is not universally preferable, because if someone means you or someone else harm and you can protect them by telling a lie i think you should.
Maybe this is situational. In this hypothetical situation, this persons happiness appears to be more important to you than telling the truth and dealing with the consequences, therefore in such a situation we could say that you prefer this persons happiness over telling the truth. In a word, "telling the truth" is honesty, so we could say that in such a situation you prefer happiness over honesty. But honesty isn't always about ratting someone out. Sometimes people aren't even honest with themselves.
You've stated before that truth is more important than happiness, in your next paragraph you mention your reasoning as to why, yet it appears that you would be willing to obscure the truth to ensure happiness in specific situations. This seems like contradiction so maybe I'm missing something. You mention it is important to make a distinction between telling the truth and the truth itself, so maybe you mean that a persons own knowledge of the truth is more important than their own happiness, but a persons own happiness is more important than allowing someone else to discover the truth?
If I am understanding you correctly, can you explain why happiness is more important than the truth is these types of situations?I prefer the truth over happiness because the better informed i am about reality the better the decisions i can make based on it, or not should i desire. Ultimately freedom to make decisions based on the best available knowledge is more important than happiness.
Is that actually true though? Is the power/freedom that truth provides really more important than happiness? In certain situations, as mentioned above, we can imagine that the truth may actually reduce the amount of power or freedom that an individual has.
We can also imagine that in some situations learning the truth may not actually grant you any significant power or freedom at all. Imagine you are happy and content living your life, and you suddenly learned a terrible and depressing truth about your life, a truth so horrible that it destroys your happiness and actually drives you towards suicide. Would you still rather learn that truth than continue to live in blissful ignorance? Would you share your terrible knowledge with others, knowing that it would destroy their happiness as well? -
2016-10-24 at 8:38 PM UTC in Real Talk: The TruthMy apologies for not replying to this sooner.
No.
If someone were to argue that you are wrong and claim that truth is universally preferable, what would your argument be?yes
If someone were to argue that you are wrong and claim that the truth is not universally preferable, what would your argument be?I think the question is not if it is universally preferable but rather if it is universal.
I suppose that is a good point, definitions matter, I think the basic idea of Truth is that it is universally, objectively, absolutely true. Do you disagree?I would assert that the truth is universal.
… the truth inevitably finding it's way back to you and forcing you to acknowledge it, one way or another
I agree. Let's go with this for now. I saw this in another thread and thought this would be a more appropriate thread to discuss it:The truth is more important than happiness.
This is a great statement to question and something I had in mind when I created this thread. Is the truth more important than happiness? It appears that this is not true for everyone, I can probably dream up some examples of people who may prefer not to know the truth if it meant they will be happier. There's an old saying, ignorance is bliss. On the other hand we have all heard that "Knowledge is Power" and if truth is knowledge then knowing the truth gives you a sort of power, and power seems to make a lot of people happy. Power can be used to help or to harm. If there is a clear answer to this question I cannot see it, so please, tell me why you think the truth is more important than happiness, or tell me why you think happiness is more important than the truth.
Also, is honesty similar to truth? If you believe truth is more important than happiness, do you believe being honest is as important as knowing the truth? -
2016-10-22 at 7:17 PM UTC in Whoever said skating was for fags hasn't seen this.Or they don't watch hockey.
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2016-10-20 at 3:53 PM UTC in American foreign policy is completely fucked, what they hell are they doing?.
I'm actually writing a fairly long essay on the Syrian war because the way the mainstream media distorts it irritates me, will post it here once done if you guys are interested in reading it
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2016-10-19 at 10:19 PM UTC in Real Talk: The TruthQuestion: Is the truth universally preferable over a lie?
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2016-10-19 at 6:36 PM UTC in If something is guaranteed, does it require faith?Does this make sense:
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2016-10-19 at 3:29 PM UTC in You know what you should do?
poast a screencap m8r
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2016-10-19 at 3:23 PM UTC in What is Life?[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]All great teachers, from the very earliest ages, have consistently taught this doctrine; have taught that man's true life is derived from, and one with, the larger Cosmic Life - whatever name may be given to that great cosmic fact. They have also taught that this true inner indestructible life can only be realized by the individual in proportion as he abandons all attachment, by hope, fear, or desire, to outer temporary or phenomenal forms.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px] But we may now ask how - if all individual life and consciousness is in reality the One Life and Consciousness - we, and all other individual forms, have lost the realization of this oneness; how in fact, consciousness, as such, can ever lose its essential and inherent oneness; how we apparently see infinite degrees of consciousness; and how we ourselves may even doubt whether our life and consciousness will survive the disintegration of the outward physical form?…"[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]Consciousness, then, together with its correlative phenomenon, is how the One Noumenon is known; or knows Itself. In Itself and by Itself this One Noumenon is incognizable and unknowable. That is obvious, because a thing is known only by its opposite, or by relation and contrast; but in the Absolute there is neither opposite nor contrast.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px] But in a certain sense, an infinite One necessitates an infinite many. To be infinitely known or cognized, the infinite Subject demands an infinite Object; or rather, an infinity of objects (phenomena). The Infinite must know Itself in an infinite variety of ways.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]In the second place, let us consider how we as conscious individuals do actually make use of our consciousness. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]A little reflection will show us that our consciousness is for the most part directed outwards; it is almost wholly[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px] engaged with objective phenomena. Do we not, indeed, even take these phenomena to be reality, and live our life wholly therein; striving even to grasp and possess these fleeting shadows which we know must pass away?[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px] This fact, then which we find in the individual, may perhaps give us a clue to something similar operating in the universal; and - inadequate as any such concept must necessarily be - we shall at least have something not wholly inconsistent with our present knowledge and experience. Conceive, then, of the LIFE, the ceaseless activity of the One Noumenon, as being essentially of the nature of Self-realization by means of a creative process, which consists fundamentally in the objectivization, the outward presentation as phenomenon, of the Infinite contents of the One Self.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]In this view we cannot conceive of this creation as an act whereby something which is not-self is brought into existence. We must rather conceive that the One Self cannot help, as it were, the eternal expression of Itself by a process whereby It sees and knows Itself as Phenomenon as well as Noumenon, as Object as well as Subject; a process, in short, which is the eternal realization or expression of ITSELF.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]It is precisely this self-realization which constitutes our own life; which constitutes all individual life. Between consciousness and phenomenon there must always be an exact parallelism, however much we may limit consciousness, or in whatever individual forms we may locate it. The outward the objective, the visible, is ever and always the expression the symbol and sign of an inner subjective invisible self.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px] The outer phenomenal universe, then - infinite as the complement of an infinite subjective SELF - is not in reality the not-self. The One Self is in reality both Subject and Object, though the individual self is not; and the outer phenomenal aspect of this essential Unity can only be considered as a Not -Self by an arbitrary limitation or negation of the real nature of the self; a limitation, illusion, characteristic of all individual forms of consciousness as we at present know them.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]Let us conceive, then, that the consciousness of the One Self, the Universal Consciousness of Primordial Substance, entering in, as it were, or associating Itself with those individual forms which are the presentment of Itself to Itself: loses in those forms Its sense of Oneness or Unity; identifies [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]Itself for the time being wholly with the form; and regards all other forms as the Not Self. This entering in - which will correspond with the actual creation of the forms - will constitute the involutionary cosmic process, the formation or emanation of the phenomenal universe. The reverse or evolutionary process, is the gradual repudiation by the subject or self of the self-imposed limitation.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=arial][SIZE=12px]Thus the great heresy, the great illusion, is the sense of separateness; while, on the other hand, the great secret of life, the great religion, the elixir, the philosopher's stone, that which frees the individual from all illusion, from all bondage, that which "brings immortality to light," is the realization of oneness with the Infinite Divine Life which lives, and moves, and is conscious in ALL.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial][SIZE=12px] From our own individual nature we thus obtain some hint, some dim conception of the nature of the great Cosmic Process: on the fundamental assumption that the universal is reflected in the individual and particular.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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2016-10-19 at 3:12 PM UTC in End Times SignsLatest events, October 19, 2016:
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2016-10-18 at 12:19 AM UTC in What is Life?It's copied and pasted gold, nigga.
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2016-10-17 at 11:41 PM UTC in What is Life?
It's the most original thing you've posted in this thread so far
So then you bothered to read what I've posted in this thread? -
2016-10-17 at 11:24 PM UTC in What is Life?
Hey that's the first post of yours I've bothered to read, good work
Thanks bro, it's the most effort I've put into this thread so far. -
2016-10-17 at 11:15 PM UTC in What is Life?At least your butt hurts.
