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2018-06-21 at 6:22 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny I'm not. People who argue plants have hedonic faculties generally state in the general form of "plants can react to stimulus, so they must be able to feel pain!" which I think is a really flimsy argument. In general I think this is a camp that takes some real and interesting findings in biology and draws wholly invalid conclusions from them. But Obbe did put it in the most interesting way the question can be framed, as a hypothetical.
So if we found that all life is capable of well being or suffering, which I've put forward as the criterion for moral considerability, then we need to ask what the distribution and degree of considerability is among species. If plants have a very slight hedonic faculty but humans a much greater one, then it may be justifiable to inflict the amount of suffering required for our well being on plants. For what it's worth I think this argument applies to animals too: the lives of humans are certainly more considerable than those of chickens and I would never say that a starving person is doing something wrong for eating a chicken, it's simply that when we have a choice between eating an animal, which is somewhat less morally considerable than us, and a plant, which I think is totally morally unconsiderable, then we do something wrong by harming the animal.
So what if plants end being capable the same or greater depth of feeling than animals? I think the situation is really pretty far fetched, but if it was the case then I guess most of us would be obligated to die since I doubt we could sustain a very large population on fruit or whatever other sources of calories are available to us without killing anything.
Lol, you're the one dodging my questions buddy
That's possibly just a human-centric or animal-centric approach to morality / consumption.
Imagine if we stumbled on a form of alien life that we didn't even recognize as life but was actually intelligent and felt pain from our experiments while we didn't even realize it. Would that make us evil? Or imagine if something with super-human intelligence stumbled upon us and saw us as just another resource to exploit ... maybe come back to Earth every 10000 years to harvest new organisms, ideas, technologies. Just another experiment. Maybe it wouldn't even consider "suffering" to be something to be concerned about. Is that really evil? Or is it only evil 'to us'?
I guess my point is that I don't believe we have any obligation to die for the sake of some other form of life. And I do believe that eventually science will recognize that all forms of life, even plants, are intelligent to some degree and can suffer to some degree, and if your response to that is suicide I don't think that's going to achieve anything except people like me will still be here living life while people like you won't be. -
2018-06-21 at 3:32 PM UTC in I'm still alive and kickin' unfortunately... I'm now in the most ghetto nursing home in the world.
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2018-06-21 at 12:34 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-06-21 at 11:31 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny something something universal grammar some anarcho syndicalism
I do think it's ok to eat plants and that plants, to the best of our knowledge, are not morally considerable. The reason they're not morally considerable and some animals are is not because I choose which things are and aren't morally considerably, but rather because morally considerable things have the ability to experience well being or suffering while plants don't seem to.
More and more research shows that plants are intelligent, can sense touch, react when they are damaged, etc... If sometime in the future it is revealed to you that all forms of life can experience well being and suffering, will you still eat food? -
2018-06-20 at 11:53 PM UTC in "Hey mom what are you doing?"Who was it?
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2018-06-20 at 11:10 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-06-20 at 11:05 AM UTC in ATTN: Ghost
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2018-06-20 at 12:08 AM UTC in Lonely... lonely... lonely... lonely... lonely...
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2018-06-20 at 12:01 AM UTC in ATTN: Ghost
If you feel a thread is being derailed you are encouraged to PM me or report the offending posts and I will moderate that thread more actively. This means the kind of posting that flies in one thread may not in another, or more minor off-topic posting that's acceptable earlier in a thread will not be acceptable later.
What I ask from posters is that they respect that not every thread will have the same level of moderation and that they help me in finding threads that are being derailed.
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2018-06-19 at 11:57 PM UTC in ATTN: Ghost
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2018-06-19 at 11:19 PM UTC in ATTN: GhostI didn't do anything wrong, people should stay on topic when the OP wants them to, Spec is a snake in the grass shit disturber.
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2018-06-19 at 9:14 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-06-19 at 8:43 PM UTC in ATTN: Ghost
Originally posted by -SpectraL He only did something because you complained about it, not because there was anything wrong with it.
It was off topic in a topical forum. The OP wanted people to stay on topic. You think it's fine to just let spam happen now... what happened to you?
Probably because you complain all the time and Lanny never does anything. That's because your complaints are invalid. You're one of the kiddiots now. -
2018-06-19 at 8:31 PM UTC in Later
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2018-06-19 at 8:16 PM UTC in ATTN: Ghost
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2018-06-19 at 7:48 PM UTC in ATTN: Ghost
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2018-06-19 at 7:47 PM UTC in ATTN: Ghost
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2018-06-19 at 7:06 PM UTC in cycling between suicidal depression and going hard AFMolotov everything.
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2018-06-19 at 6:54 PM UTC in ATTN: Ghost
Originally posted by benny vader who are you to decide what is and is not trashes and spams ???
i remember the thread and i saw nothing that resemble trashes or spams. every posts that was there was informational and i read them enthusiastically and with utmost vigor.
are you saying that your better than me, your opinion more valid ???
I think so yes, but no obviously I do not decide what is spam or trash Lanny does. -
2018-06-19 at 6:24 PM UTC in ATTN: Ghost
Originally posted by -SpectraL Obbe is one of the reporters. He even openly confessed.
A confession is an admission that you are guilty of a crime. I did not commit any crime therefore my statement was not a confession.
I did report a post in Xlites thread. Because that is the only way any moderation happens on this website. Xlite was requesting people stay on topic. I wanted to help him, so I did the only thing I could do. It worked. Would you rather they continued to trash his thread with spam? Do you even remember totse? Do you support kiddiots now?
That is the only time I have ever reported anything BTW, even when my own threads fell to spam attacks.
Fuck you Will Faggot.
