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2018-06-11 at 12:56 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-06-10 at 11:58 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meatWhat does it mean to take moral responsibility for an action? Consider the following:
1. A 4 year old kills a woman after playing with his father's gun, which had been left loaded and unsecure.
2. A 25 year old man raised by wonderful parents and never abused intentionally shot and killed a woman "for the fun of it."
3. A 25 year old man raised by wonderful parents and never abused intentionally shot and killed a woman "for the fun of it." A brain scan reveals a tumor the size of a golf ball in a region of his brain responsible for the control of emotion and behavioral impulses.
In each case a young woman died. Each death, the result of events arising in the mind of another human. But the degree of moral outrage you feel probably depends on the situation described in each case.
We consider the brain of killer 1 is not fully matured or ready for the responsibilities of personhood. Killer number 2 appears to be a psychopath. Killer number 3 involves the same psychopathic motive and behavior, but somehow the brain tumor seems to clear the killer of all responsibility for his crime. We cannot help but see him as a victim of his own biology.
Despite our attachment to the notion of freewill most of us know that disorders of the brain trump the best intentions of the mind. And the men and women on death row have some combination of bad genes, bad parents, bad environments and bad luck. Which of these were they responsible for? No person is responsible for his genes or upbringing, yet we have every reason to believe these factors determine his character. In fact, it seems immoral not to recognize how much luck is involved in morality itself.
Moral responsibility is a social construct - not an objective reality. -
2018-06-09 at 9 PM UTC in Fallout 4 with survival mods [tldr]§m£ÂgØL, you gonna use power armor if you stumble across any?
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2018-06-09 at 6:53 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-06-09 at 5:01 PM UTC in Nazis Now Own Largest Worldwide Agri-chems Production CapacityAnyone else feeling that déjà vu?
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2018-06-08 at 9:49 PM UTC in Fallout 4 with survival mods [tldr]Cool.
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2018-06-08 at 12:06 AM UTC in Everyone's favorite porn!?!?!?
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2018-06-08 at 12:03 AM UTC in Nazis Now Own Largest Worldwide Agri-chems Production CapacityWhat does this mean?
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2018-06-07 at 10:54 PM UTC in is there any OG NIS here who is not an unemployed druggie loser??
Originally posted by joerell Well, whether you guys want to admit this or not, most of the depression here, suicidal tendencies, jail time, health problems, social issues, failed relationships, hate, etc., seems to have a very strong correlation to substance abuse…too bad because aside from Infinity most of you guys are pretty intelligent and straight up. Losers on DH were totally different, so I'm not criticizing or putting any of you down. You see many DHers were just malicious filled with evil by nature their whole life and yet you just seem to have experienced bad times struggling through. I guess this makes you better and I can assure I have no respect for many who used the other site. I think El has a good idea of what I'm talking about or the people I'm referring to.
If drugs become the focal point of your existence obviously it will have a negative impact on other areas of your life. But there have been plenty of people who used to post in our community who have since moved on to bigger and better things who did all sorts of drugs and still led successful lives. In fact I think the people who become addicts are prone to becoming addicts because of physical differences in their brain due to either genetic abnormalities or unfortunate childhood experiences. Check out the "rat park" study for more information on that idea. -
2018-06-07 at 10:26 PM UTC in is there any OG NIS here who is not an unemployed druggie loser??
Originally posted by Sophie Is 40 Canadian Loonies an hour considered good pay?
I think the problem people have with it is that they assume you are trying to sound deep and enlightened by stealing other people's words/thoughts/conclusions.
It's pretty good, average I guess. Able to afford the things I need and want. Definitely not wealthy or anything.
I do it for 2 reasons generally, either I'm just having fun (like that rainbow thread I made when I was Open Your Mind and nobody knew I was Obbe yet, a lot of that information was copied from several sources, or the hyperspace thread, which was an old text file I found in an archive) and just want to see how people react to it, or I think it's a well written argument and see no reason to rewrite it "in my own words" (like the Unabomber or Sam Harris stuff). -
2018-06-07 at 10:13 PM UTC in is there any OG NIS here who is not an unemployed druggie loser??
Originally posted by Sophie After taxes? Sounds like a sweet gig. Whatcha do for a living Obbe? Does it involve plagiarism? Sorry, that's a joke i couldn't help myself. I really am curious though.
That's before taxes, and it's in Canadian Loonies. I am just a simple electrician. I genuinely do not understand why so many people here think I'm doing something wrong when I copy/paste things without referencing a source. -
2018-06-07 at 8:36 PM UTC in The Thread Users Go To Get Banned
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2018-06-07 at 7:42 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-06-07 at 7:36 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by aldra my point was only that people disagreeing on something doesn't mean that they're all right.
as it stands morality is used and shaped as a tool for social cohesion, differently for different societies, but yes I believe there's an absolute baseline. there's no way to prove or disprove it though so I don't think it's really worth discussing
Are the only things "worth" discussing things which we can prove or disprove? I don't know if everyone would agree with that.
MmQ attempted to establish a baseline for morality by asking me if baby torture is ever morally acceptable, which some does appear to be accepted in some cultures (nonconsenual circumcision). Maybe those cultures are just "wrong" or maybe there is no baseline and morality is relative. If it's impossible for us to know, why not just treat morality as relative? -
2018-06-07 at 7:15 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by aldra I don't know about pi; I was under the impression that it's precise value was 22/7 and just can't be expressed as a single number because it's irrational but apparently that's not the case
I don't know. Do you believe morality is absolute? I think there are a lot of reasons to believe it is relative. Don't really have the time or desire to write a huge post about it. But, for example, different parts of the world developed different ideas about what is and is not moral. But I don't think any culture developed different ideas about math. 1+1 doesn't equal 3 in any culture I have heard of. Do you really think it is accurate to compare morality to math? -
2018-06-07 at 6:58 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by ohfralala I agree with morality being relative. What factor (or factors), then, would you use to determine what is best for us? Would you only consider necessary variables for survival with zero regard for emotional needs/facets.
And at that point would you say meat is absolutely necessary for survival?
I dont know. Depends on what we want to achieve I guess. If "emotional contentment" is a goal we want I think it could be ppssible to achieve it without needing to involve morality.
I don't think meat is absolutely necessary for survival.
Originally posted by aldra math isn't absolute because some people can't add
Is math absolute? I always though math was more or less an approximation of reality. Like, that why numbers like PI continue on and on forever, which is why we only use the significant digits to make approximations. -
2018-06-07 at 6:24 PM UTC in The Thread Users Go To Get Banned
Originally posted by -SpectraL https://niggasin.space/thread/21061
Kind of like when the dinosaurs would head straight to the tar pits when they knew their gig was up.
98% of the people who have gone to this thread haven't been banned though. -
2018-06-07 at 6:23 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny That's a claim but I don't think you've made much of a case for it. While Captain and I disagree on what makes a thing morally considerably I imagine we'd agree that morality is not relative. Both ability to participate in a social contract and ability to feel pain are objective qualities, and we clearly feel like the argument that follows from those objective facts and ends in moral obligations is sound, so just proclaiming that morality is relative isn't very convincing.
If morality wasn't relative we wouldn't need to argue about what is and isn't moral because everyone would already agree. -
2018-06-07 at 6:19 PM UTC in The Retarded Thread: Sploo Needs Attention
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2018-06-07 at 6:14 PM UTC in is there any OG NIS here who is not an unemployed druggie loser??I'm a totse OG.
I am employed. I make about $40 per hour. 40 hours per week.
I used to do more drugs when I was younger, these days I just smoke weed and drink beer. Not excessively either.
I think I have a pretty good life.
