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2018-03-05 at 2:08 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-03-04 at 10:47 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-03-04 at 10:33 PM UTC in should I get drunk tonight???
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2018-03-04 at 10:32 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny You're avoiding the point now that you realize you're wrong.
It's called an analogy you dumbshit.
You're simply wrong, it's a subject that's been extensively and there is absolutely no dietary requirement that can't be met without meat consumption. If you disagree, try telling me which nutrient is absent. Go on.
Human physiology has evolved for millions of years never moving faster than 30 miles per hour, but somehow we've managed to survive trains, planes, and automobiles. The fact that something doesn't have an evolutionary precedent doesn't mean it's somehow impossible to integrate into a modern lifestyle. The very fact that evolution happens demonstrates that things without evolutionary precedent can be successful survival strategies.
Yeah, go look up what the diets of non-voluntary vegan historical societies, then look up what's considered a healthy vegan diet today. Tell me how similar those things look. Also humans weren't "designed" for anything.
WTF, are you unable to read or something? Where the fuck did I say anything about eating animals live and uncooked? You're one dumb nigger
Your ignoring the truth and demanding that others respect your opinion as fact when you've been shown the difference in black and white. No amount of smugness on your part will alter the truth. -
2018-03-04 at 2:51 PM UTC in Do you trust overly social people? (explained more inside)
Originally posted by Open Your Mind DISRUPTION OF THE POWER PROCESS IN MODERN SOCIETY
59. We divide human drives into three groups: (1) those drives that can be satisfied with minimal effort; (2) those that can be satisfied but only at the cost of serious effort; (3) those that cannot be adequately satisfied no matter how much effort one makes. The power process is the process of satisfying the drives of the second group. The more drives there are in the third group, the more there is frustration, anger, eventually defeatism, depression, etc.
60. In modern industrial society natural human drives tend to be pushed into the first and third groups, and the second group tends to consist increasingly of artificially created drives.
61. In primitive societies, physical necessities generally fall into group 2: They can be obtained, but only at the cost of serious effort. But modern society tends to guaranty the physical necessities to everyone [9] in exchange for only minimal effort, hence physical needs are pushed into group 1. (There may be disagreement about whether the effort needed to hold a job is “minimal”; but usually, in lower- to middle- level jobs, whatever effort is required is merely that of OBEDIENCE. You sit or stand where you are told to sit or stand and do what you are told to do in the way you are told to do it. Seldom do you have to exert yourself seriously, and in any case you have hardly any autonomy in work, so that the need for the power process is not well served.)
62. Social needs, such as sex, love and status, often remain in group 2 in modern society, depending on the situation of the individual. [10] But, except for people who have a particularly strong drive for status, the effort required to fulfill the social drives is insufficient to satisfy adequately the need for the power process.
63. So certain artificial needs have been created that fall into group 2, hence serve the need for the power process. Advertising and marketing techniques have been developed that make many people feel they need things that their grandparents never desired or even dreamed of. It requires serious effort to earn enough money to satisfy these artificial needs, hence they fall into group 2. (But see paragraphs 80-82.) Modern man must satisfy his need for the power process largely through pursuit of the artificial needs created by the advertising and marketing industry [11], and through surrogate activities.
64. It seems that for many people, maybe the majority, these artificial forms of the power process are insufficient. A theme that appears repeatedly in the writings of the social critics of the second half of the 20th century is the sense of purposelessness that afflicts many people in modern society. (This purposelessness is often called by other names such as “anomic” or “middle-class vacuity.”) We suggest that the so-called “identity crisis” is actually a search for a sense of purpose, often for commitment to a suitable surrogate activity. It may be that existentialism is in large part a response to the purposelessness of modern life. [12] Very widespread in modern society is the search for “fulfillment.” But we think that for the majority of people an activity whose main goal is fulfillment (that is, a surrogate activity) does not bring completely satisfactory fulfillment. In other words, it does not fully satisfy the need for the power process. (See paragraph 41.) That need can be fully satisfied only through activities that have some external goal, such as physical necessities, sex, love, status, revenge, etc.
65. Moreover, where goals are pursued through earning money, climbing the status ladder or functioning as part of the system in some other way, most people are not in a position to pursue their goals AUTONOMOUSLY. Most workers are someone else’s employee and, as we pointed out in paragraph 61, must spend their days doing what they are told to do in the way they are told to do it. Even people who are in business for themselves have only limited autonomy. It is a chronic complaint of small-business persons and entrepreneurs that their hands are tied by excessive government regulation. Some of these regulations are doubtless unnecessary, but for the most part government regulations are essential and inevitable parts of our extremely complex society. A large portion of small business today operates on the franchise system. It was reported in the Wall Street Journal a few years ago that many of the franchise-granting companies require applicants for franchises to take a personality test that is designed to EXCLUDE those who have creativity and initiative, because such persons are not sufficiently docile to go along obediently with the franchise system. This excludes from small business many of the people who most need autonomy.
66. Today people live more by virtue of what the system does FOR them or TO them than by virtue of what they do for themselves. And what they do for themselves is done more and more along channels laid down by the system. Opportunities tend to be those that the system provides, the opportunities must be exploited in accord with rules and regulations [13], and techniques prescribed by experts must be followed if there is to be a chance of success.
67. Thus the power process is disrupted in our society through a deficiency of real goals and a deficiency of autonomy in the pursuit of goals. But it is also disrupted because of those human drives that fall into group 3: the drives that one cannot adequately satisfy no matter how much effort one makes. One of these drives is the need for security. Our lives depend on decisions made by other people; we have no control over these decisions and usually we do not even know the people who make them. (“We live in a world in which relatively few people—maybe 500 or 1,000—make the important decisions”—Philip B. Heymann of Harvard Law School, quoted by Anthony Lewis, New York Times, April 21, 1995.) Our lives depend on whether safety standards at a nuclear power plant are properly maintained; on how much pesticide is allowed to get into our food or how much pollution into our air; on how skillful (or incompetent) our doctor is; whether we lose or get a job may depend on decisions made by government economists or corporation executives; and so forth. Most individuals are not in a position to secure themselves against these threats to more [than] a very limited extent. The individual’s search for security is therefore frustrated, which leads to a sense of powerlessness.
68. It may be objected that primitive man is physically less secure than modern man, as is shown by his shorter life expectancy; hence modern man suffers from less, not more than the amount of insecurity that is normal for human beings. But psychological security does not closely correspond with physical security. What makes us FEEL secure is not so much objective security as a sense of confidence in our ability to take care of ourselves. Primitive man, threatened by a fierce animal or by hunger, can fight in self-defense or travel in search of food. He has no certainty of success in these efforts, but he is by no means helpless against the things that threaten him. The modern individual on the other hand is threatened by many things against which he is helpless: nuclear accidents, carcinogens in food, environmental pollution, war, increasing taxes, invasion of his privacy by large organizations, nationwide social or economic phenomena that may disrupt his way of life.
69. It is true that primitive man is powerless against some of the things that threaten him; disease for example. But he can accept the risk of disease stoically. It is part of the nature of things, it is no one’s fault, unless it is the fault of some imaginary, impersonal demon. But threats to the modern individual tend to be MAN-MADE. They are not the results of chance but are IMPOSED on him by other persons whose decisions he, as an individual, is unable to influence. Consequently he feels frustrated, humiliated and angry.
70. Thus primitive man for the most part has his security in his own hands (either as an individual or as a member of a SMALL group) whereas the security of modern man is in the hands of persons or organizations that are too remote or too large for him to be able personally to influence them. So modern man’s drive for security tends to fall into groups 1 and 3; in some areas (food, shelter etc.) his security is assured at the cost of only trivial effort, whereas in other areas he CANNOT attain security. (The foregoing greatly simplifies the real situation, but it does indicate in a rough, general way how the condition of modern man differs from that of primitive man.)
71. People have many transitory drives or impulses that are necessarily frustrated in modern life, hence fall into group 3. One may become angry, but modern society cannot permit fighting. In many situations it does not even permit verbal aggression. When going somewhere one may be in a hurry, or one may be in a mood to travel slowly, but one generally has no choice but to move with the flow of traffic and obey the traffic signals. One may want to do one’s work in a different way, but usually one can work only according to the rules laid down by one’s employer. In many other ways as well, modern man is strapped down by a network of rules and regulations (explicit or implicit) that frustrate many of his impulses and thus interfere with the power process. Most of these regulations cannot be dispensed with, because they are necessary for the functioning of industrial society.
72. Modern society is in certain respects extremely permissive. In matters that are irrelevant to the functioning of the system we can generally do what we please. We can believe in any religion we like (as long as it does not encourage behavior that is dangerous to the system). We can go to bed with anyone we like (as long as we practice “safe sex”). We can do anything we like as long as it is UNIMPORTANT. But in all IMPORTANT matters the system tends increasingly to regulate our behavior.
73. Behavior is regulated not only through explicit rules and not only by the government. Control is often exercised through indirect coercion or through psychological pressure or manipulation, and by organizations other than the government, or by the system as a whole. Most large organizations use some form of propaganda [14] to manipulate public attitudes or behavior. Propaganda is not limited to “commercials” and advertisements, and sometimes it is not even consciously intended as propaganda by the people who make it. For instance, the content of entertainment programming is a powerful form of propaganda. An example of indirect coercion: There is no law that says we have to go to work every day and follow our employer’s orders. Legally there is nothing to prevent us from going to live in the wild like primitive people or from going into business for ourselves. But in practice there is very little wild country left, and there is room in the economy for only a limited number of small business owners. Hence most of us can survive only as someone else’s employee.
74. We suggest that modern man’s obsession with longevity, and with maintaining physical vigor and sexual attractiveness to an advanced age, is a symptom of unfulfillment resulting from deprivation with respect to the power process. The “mid-life crisis” also is such a symptom. So is the lack of interest in having children that is fairly common in modern society but almost unheard-of in primitive societies.
75. In primitive societies life is a succession of stages. The needs and purposes of one stage having been fulfilled, there is no particular reluctance about passing on to the next stage. A young man goes through the power process by becoming a hunter, hunting not for sport or for fulfillment but to get meat that is necessary for food. (In young women the process is more complex, with greater emphasis on social power; we won’t discuss that here.) This phase having been successfully passed through, the young man has no reluctance about settling down to the responsibilities of raising a family. (In contrast, some modern people indefinitely postpone having children because they are too busy seeking some kind of “fulfillment.” We suggest that the fulfillment they need is adequate experience of the power process—with real goals instead of the artificial goals of surrogate activities.) Again, having successfully raised his children, going through the power process by providing them with the physical necessities, the primitive man feels that his work is done and he is prepared to accept old age (if he survives that long) and death. Many modern people, on the other hand, are disturbed by the prospect of physical deterioration and death, as is shown by the amount of effort they expend trying to maintain their physical condition, appearance and health. We argue that this is due to unfulfillment resulting from the fact that they have never put their physical powers to any practical use, have never gone through the power process using their bodies in a serious way. It is not the primitive man, who has used his body daily for practical purposes, who fears the deterioration of age, but the modern man, who has never had a practical use for his body beyond walking from his car to his house. It is the man whose need for the power process has been satisfied during his life who is best prepared to accept the end of that life.
76. In response to the arguments of this section someone will say, “Society must find a way to give people the opportunity to go through the power process.” For such people the value of the opportunity is destroyed by the very fact that society gives it to them. What they need is to find or make their own opportunities. As long as the system GIVES them their opportunities it still has them on a leash. To attain autonomy they must get off that leash.
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2018-03-04 at 1:20 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny Huh, OK. So what does it mean for something to be objectionable if it poses no moral issue? On what grounds to you object to the torture of animals?
Lol, you're incapable of admitting you're wrong huh? It's hilarious watching you try to back out of this without admitting how fucktarded you are.
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2018-03-04 at 9:11 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny Ok, so did the way I used the term fail to satisfy the dictionary definition (which I also posted for you) or am I expected to take your babbling as the higher authority over the OED?
You can just carry on thinking what you think for I give shit. It doesn't change anything dumbass. -
2018-03-04 at 4:07 AM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny So what you're using is that using the terms can be used interchangeably, but somehow magically I'm wrong for using them interchangeably and the only way to actually use them is the way you've described which has no relation to common usage?
You are mentally impaired
No, I said that while they are used interchangeably it is incorrect to do so dumbass.
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2018-03-04 at 1:24 AM UTC in Can we just ban Speedy Parker?
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2018-03-03 at 11:27 PM UTC in should I get drunk tonight???
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2018-03-03 at 11:25 PM UTC in ** LANNY WILL RELEASE THE LOGS ** LOOK INSIDE PLEASE
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2018-03-03 at 11:21 PM UTC in Do you trust overly social people? (explained more inside)
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2018-03-03 at 11:21 PM UTC in when's this wall of trump's being made?
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2018-03-03 at 11:19 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Lanny Wrong
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ethics
now please fuck off
The idea that animal cruelty happening in other cultures poses some kind if dilemma is 100% fabrication. No one, at any point in this thread, has argued morally indefensible actions are pardoned by being part of a cultural tradition. You've invented this idea.
Wrong.
While they are sometimes used interchangeably, they are different: ethics refer to rules provided by an external source, e.g., codes of conduct in workplaces or principles in religions. Morals refer to an individual's own principles regarding right and wrong.
Now leave off out of this and fuck them. -
2018-03-03 at 9:10 PM UTC in What Lanny doesn't want you to know
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2018-03-03 at 9:08 PM UTC in I've Got 99 Problems... and They're All Bitches
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2018-03-03 at 9:06 PM UTC in What’s Your Holy Grail Weed Strain?
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2018-03-03 at 9:05 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Zanick Do you even know how to argue? Issue313, for all of our disagreements, knows how to assert something and then defend it, or criticize arguments made by others. I make arguments and support them. You just seem to repeat the same ignorant things over and over, always from the sidelines. I think it's because you don't really understand what's going on, and you impulsively pick the side closest to the behaviors you were raised with, and you start sputtering foolish insults. I think you're a worthless, ignorant person, and on some level, you're totally aware of it.
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2018-03-03 at 8:32 PM UTC in We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
Originally posted by Zanick In retrospect, I can see why calling it a goat was a mistake: it's in part because it is a cow, but mostly I regret saying "goat" because you cannot seem to get past the fact that I misidentified one mammal for another, very closely related one. Maybe if they hadn't hacked its legs off while it was still alive and rolled it onto the ground, I would've recognized by its height that it was a cow.
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2018-03-03 at 8:31 PM UTC in Do you trust overly social people? (explained more inside)
